Which Problem(s) Caused This Crash

[Marcoose]

Being on camera.

 

[stangmx13]

I do it on pavement as well. I'm not going to let you get away with a wrong statement...it's up to you, to not make them.

then your street riding is seriously deficient. adding throttle and lean angle at the same time is dangerous.

better be careful, you are going to end up like the guy in the video.

 

[Karbon]

i cant believe no one has said this yet.... just about everyone in here is missing something big!!

you cant add lean angle AND add throttle!

who cares about the front tire, he was upright until he made that one terrible mistake.

/thread

well, suffice to say, the guy in the video can't.

I think the awareness of what your bike does when those two actions are combined, circumstance and the amount a rider is willing to allow it is really a key point.

 

[louemc]

Stranmx13, Well like everything, it can be done wrong. It isn't dangerous for me. Ive been doing this in all conditions, Pavement, wet pavement, dirty wet pavement, snow with pavement bikes, and dirt, wet dirt, sand, with dirt bikes. For like I said close to 60 Years.

So I've also seen a lot of riders that can't do stuff.

 

[Marcoose]

you cant add lean angle AND add throttle!

adding throttle and lean angle at the same time is dangerous.

Whaaaa?

 

[stangmx13]

Stranmx13, Well like everything, it can be done wrong. It isn't dangerous for me. Ive been doing this in all conditions, Pavement, wet pavement, dirty wet pavement, snow with pavement bikes, and dirt, wet dirt, sand, with dirt bikes. For like I said close to 60 Years.

So I've also seen a lot of riders that can't do stuff.

so, Mr. 60yrs of riding experience (since apparently u like using that as justification of your opinion)... when is it NOT acceptable to add throttle and lean angle?

Whaaaa?

go do a search in the Trackdays or Racers Corner section.

 

[Marcoose]

when is it NOT acceptable to add throttle and lean angle?

I'll take a stab. On a wet and oily metal grate bridge. I think I'd stop and push the bike.

 

[louemc]

^^^ I'll let you find that out for yourself....You will find it more believable, that way

 

[louemc]

I'll take a stab. On a wet and oily metal grate bridge. I think I'd stop and push the bike.

sounds like you know Oregon

 

[Marcoose]

Has anybody met this Robert gentleman? Is he credible?

 

[theAmazingKickstand]

To me, it appears that the rider doesn't know the meaning of "counter-steering".

Looks like he is of the belief that you "turn the bars in the direction of the turn" because it seems that a split-second before he low-sides, there may be some negative camber in the road and he exacerbates tucking the front with steering into the turn. Counter-steer on neutral-gas, add gas & exit!

Can somone explain to me what countersteering on barf means?????
No matter how hard I try I could never man handle the bars to turn into a corner at any real speed. Not bike or motorcycle. WTF are some of you guys talking about?

 

[Critter]

Guys those aren't bald tires. They are "So Cal Slicks". They are all the rage at Hollywood bike nights.

 

[Marcoose]

sounds like you know Oregon

Been to Oregon a few times but never had the chance of riding there. It's in the bucket list, tho. I just came up with a scenario that would make me stop riding period, much less add lean and throttle. I guess if I'm already dragging knee at 80mph, it'd be dangerous to add lean and/or throttle.

 

[RexGoliath]

I've been to the snake a few times and I think the fact that you can get filmed here makes people over step a bit. In reality, the videos you see online are going to show more bad riders than good. It's more fun (in a horrible way) to see someone bin their bike than take a leisurely ride. There are some decent riders here as you can see below

FWIW here is another angle of the Snake. I think Rnickey (cameraman) would be just out of the frame on the right side here.

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[stangmx13]

I'll take a stab. On a wet and oily metal grate bridge. I think I'd stop and push the bike.

ya, very true.

when else? do u want to figure out the condition that applies to the most possible situations... or should i let u know?

Has anybody met this Robert gentleman? Is he credible?

nope, no one here has ever met me in person. i havent lived in the Bay for years. there are a few people that have frequent conversation with me here, theyd be your best bet for answering that ^^.

 

[Marcoose]

do u want to figure out the condition that applies to the most possible situations... or should i let u know?

Oh, please do school me. I'm all ears.

 

[J-Boat]

i cant believe no one has said this yet.... just about everyone in here is missing something big!!

you cant add lean angle AND add throttle!

who cares about the front tire, he was upright until he made that one terrible mistake.

/thread

Maybe you can't, but I can...

 

[stangmx13]

Oh, please do school me. I'm all ears.

sorry if i came off a bit pretentious in my last post to u, loue got me going. back to serious conversation...

its a terrible idea to add lean angle AND throttle when at the limit of traction. thats about as general as it gets.

the thing that bothers me the most about doing exactly that is the unknown. how can u be sure how much traction u have left available? how can you be sure how much traction your new input is going to use? how do u know any of that before attempting your new input? .... and in all honestly, (this is my track mentality showing) if u need to add lean angle AND throttle mid corner... uve probably already missed your apex and line through the corner.

 

[Blankpage]

I think it was a case of him being in the wrong gear with his chain was too tight.
The rebound damping of the forks didn't match the compression damping of the rear. also he was running Michelin tires but had Bridgestone stickers on the fairing.
Didn't help that he had spent 2 hrs earlier that dad playing Grand Turismo 5.
That ride was doomed before he put on his helmet.

 

[J-Boat]

its a terrible idea to add lean angle AND throttle when at the limit of traction. thats about as general as it gets.

Well in the case of absolute traction limit, then your statement is correct...