Why aren't motorcycles promoted as a way to reduce traffic congestion?

[Marcoose]

And not relieving congestion.

The free carpool lanes on 880 relieve congestion for those carpooling and for motorcyclists. 511 has a nifty carpool matching dealio. All the snowflakes have to do is to quit complaining and start carpooling more.

 

[budman]

I am talking about the pay to play lanes.

I do think car pool lanes are good. I also think the EV access was to help sales. I think they stand on their own now and that exception should be terminated in the name of being fair to all commuters.

 

[Marcoose]

I do think car pool lanes are good. I also think the EV access was to help sales. I think they stand on their own now and that exception should be terminated in the name of being fair to all commuters.

all around

 

[Kurosaki]

Why don't we really solve the problem and add more lanes commensurate with the increase in population since the 1970s.

Yeah, no.

Adding more lanes isn't the answer.

 

[rudolfs001]

Yeah, no.

Adding more lanes isn't the answer.

I'm still waiting on Kim's over-population solution.

 

[nebulous]

Millions of cars idling on the freeway for hours daily is not the answer.

BART: Slow, Dirty and Dangerous; Is the answer for how to get robbed and e coli in one trip.

Yeah, no.

Adding more lanes isn't the answer.

 

[ctwo]

double all speed limits = half the traffic...

I think Mr. Biden could be a good spokesperson.

Buy a motorcycle...

 

[Marcoose]

BART: Slow, Dirty and Dangerous; Is the answer for how to get robbed and e coli in one trip.

Lolz. How many people get robbed or get sick daily on BART? Then let's compare with traffic injuries and deaths on the same corridors.

Don't take me wrong, BART is my very last option. Hyperbole and drama doesn't make it any worse.

 

[Kurosaki]

Millions of cars idling on the freeway for hours daily is not the answer.

BART: Slow, Dirty and Dangerous; Is the answer for how to get robbed and e coli in one trip.

How many lanes do you need? We can't have freeways with 10 lanes on each side. When freeways are expanded because of traffic, it gets better in the short term, and then traffic builds up again and the level of service is just as bad as it was before.

A change of infrastructure and city planning is a step in the right direction. When you build a bunch of homes out in Suburbia-Any-Town and people work in Business-City 30 miles away, plus the population density, you're gonna have traffic.

Extra lanes is treating the symptom, not the illness. Saying we need more lanes is like saying BUILD THE WALL.

 

[BURNROPE]

Motorcycles alleviating traffic prolly only helps in California where we can split lanes. If the economy takes a shit, there will be a lot less traffic.

 

[Marcoose]

If the economy takes a shit, there will be a lot less traffic.

It nearly did today. Careful what you ask for.

 

[nebulous]

Ontario Highway 401 is 10 lanes on each side, going thru Toronto anyway.
Dare to DREAM !!

The homes built in the suburbs and the jobs in the cities is a decades old phenomena. The population of CA has doubled since the 70s, has the freeway capacity doubled?

How many lanes do you need? We can't have freeways with 10 lanes on each side. When freeways are expanded because of traffic, it gets better in the short term, and then traffic builds up again and the level of service is just as bad as it was before.

A change of infrastructure and city planning is a step in the right direction. When you build a bunch of homes out in Suburbia-Any-Town and people work in Business-City 30 miles away, plus the population density, you're gonna have traffic.

Extra lanes is treating the symptom, not the illness. Saying we need more lanes is like saying BUILD THE WALL.

 

[NoTraffic]

Please elaborate on those demographic differences and how they invalidate the results of the study for application elsewhere.



I don't live or work in SF, but live and work in the Bay Area, and would estimate that commuting by moto saves me ~1 hour each day, maybe more.

Did you read the report?

The results came from a case study for a stretch of highway between Leuven and Brussels in Belgium and may not translate directly to other road scenarios, as the report states quite clearly that the effects of a modal shift are dependent on the local traffic situation.

"The queues that develop at each bottleneck have different characteristics, which are dependent on local circumstances, such as the local traffic demand and the capacity of the local bottleneck and upstream road sections," states the report. "The relationship between the modal shift and the change in traffic flow, the reduction in travel times and the reduction in lost vehicle hours will consequently differ for each location."

They're comparing a stretch of town from 90k residents to Brussels at 1.2 million residents including the main source of employment within an hour of its radius. The bay area within 2 hrs of its radius has sources of employment in all North, South, East and Peninsula sectors. I too would agree that there is prob. a lot less traffic from SF to Sonoma vs Sonoma to SF.

Take a look at this: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statis...stics_on_commuting_patterns_at_regional_level


The highest rate of commuting in 2015 was recorded in Belgium, where more than one in five (21.9 %) persons commuted to work in a different NUTS level 2 region

 

[HeatXfer]

That's just crazy talk, giving a loaded moto to everybody

 

[Hyperborea]

Ontario Highway 401 is 10 lanes on each side, going thru Toronto anyway.

Actually it goes well north of Toronto and was built mostly before the land around it was developed. It can't really get any bigger and it still backs up during morning and evening rush.

Try widening 101 up the peninsula and see what kind of fight you'd run into over the property. Even if that works out the cost to get that property would be astronomical. It's nothing but a fantasy that even if made real wouldn't deliver.

 

[Kurosaki]

Ontario Highway 401 is 10 lanes on each side, going thru Toronto anyway.
Dare to DREAM !!

The homes built in the suburbs and the jobs in the cities is a decades old phenomena. The population of CA has doubled since the 70s, has the freeway capacity doubled?

Not exactly sure what to say to you that just building more roads and expanding freeways is not the answer. Again, treating the symptom, not the illness.

 

[nebulous]

What is the illness, People? I don't see a solution there. Telling everyone they will need to live in SF like conditions is also not a solution. So, what pray tel do you propose as a solution?

Not exactly sure what to say to you that just building more roads and expanding freeways is not the answer. Again, treating the symptom, not the illness.

 

[tuxumino]

What is the illness, People? I don't see a solution there. Telling everyone they will need to live in SF like conditions is also not a solution. So, what pray tel do you propose as a solution?

commuting by motorcycle

sorry couldn't resist

 

[berth]

What is the illness, People? I don't see a solution there. Telling everyone they will need to live in SF like conditions is also not a solution. So, what pray tel do you propose as a solution?

What it's always been.

Live near where you work.

Walk.

Take public transportation.

Work the graveyard shift.

Work from home.

Use the company van pool.

Ride in the company bus and avoid the bricks.

Work in Montana.

 

[Marcoose]

commuting by motorcycle

sorry couldn't resist

What it's always been.

Live near where you work.

Walk.

Take public transportation.

Work the graveyard shift.

Work from home.

Use the company van pool.

Ride in the company bus and avoid the bricks.

Work in Montana.

+1, and TPTB allowing more tele-commute. Many jobs and many people don't have to be in the chicken coop 9-5 in order to be productive.