Why I refuse to vote for Barak Obama

[Melissa]

I have never been so uncertain regarding how I am going to vote in November.
I listen, read, research and ponder and for the life of me I have not made my decision.
Does my vote matter? I believe that it does in the way that any personal action has a ripple effect.

So-if I vote out of fear I'll go with Obama.
If I vote from a place of hope I'll go with Romney.

 

[rodr]

Rodr, I think Cootz was referring to Obama's vote as a senator. She couldn't have made her 2008 voting selection on an extension Obama signed as President.

OK. Well he was a politician then too.

So-if I vote out of fear I'll go with Obama.
If I vote from a place of hope I'll go with Romney.

Why do you say that?

 

[Melissa]

Fear-if Romney wins I worry about the USA and global relations. He seems to be running this part of his election campaign on right and might as opposed to patience and negotiation.

Fear-if Romney wins I am concerned about the separation of church and state and how his policies might deteriorate the rights of women and lgbt communities.

Hope-if Romney wins I hope that his policies will begin to not only address but take action regarding the Country's financial situation. Can he really use his experience and his vp's economic theories to re-right the ship? Decrease welfare dependency and increase the opportunity of jobs and personal responsibility?

 

[tzrider]

OK. Well he was a politician then too.

Yes, he was. His voting record was consistent with his public stand at the time; he voted to extend an amended version of the Patriot Act, but voted to oppose warrantless wiretaps. He also voted to restore habeas corpus to detainees..

I think he has bowed more to congressional pressure (or maybe just the realities of his new perspective, having higher security clearance) as President than he did as a Senator.

 

[Nahullo]

I disagree with the author and his three main points as well...

I have never seen President Obama as the Leftist Commie most folks make him out to be. Looking at his record as Prez; I see a lot of hawkish decisions. I am good with that to a degree.

I think both candidates are middle roaders, but I dislike changing a horse mid stream in deep water.

 

[Bay Arean]

But you'll get a phone!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tpAOwJvTOio

 

[Nahullo]

Thats what you got? A poor ignorant woman as a reason to either refrain from voting altogether or to vote for Romney?

 

[jdhu]

not enough people will vote for a third party candidate. at this point in time, a vote for someone besides the two available douchebags is wasted.

In California, your vote for US President is a waste, regardless of who you vote for. Obama has this state locked up, and unless you can prevent say, one million Democrats from voting, ALL of our votes are a waste.

I think a "protest" vote for a 3rd party candidate is LESS of a waste, than being part of 8 million for Obama v. 6 million for Romney (or whatever).

 

[Bay Arean]

Thats what you got? A poor ignorant woman as a reason to either refrain from voting altogether or to vote for Romney?

I thot it was appropriate for this thread. My candidate choices are a bit more sophisticated than a clip. I just think it's funny because we'll see all the apologists ignore it and continue to blame the evil "teabaggers" for everything that's wrong with the national discourse. Nothin' to see here #1,256...

 

[Nahullo]

I thot it was appropriate for this thread. My candidate choices are a bit more sophisticated than a clip. I just think it's funny because we'll see all the apologists ignore it and continue to blame the evil "teabaggers" for everything that's wrong with the national discourse.

Ignore what?

 

[jdhu]

I thot it was appropriate for this thread. My candidate choices are a bit more sophisticated than a clip. I just think it's funny because we'll see all the apologists ignore it and continue to blame the evil "teabaggers" for everything that's wrong with the national discourse. Nothin' to see here #1,256...

That video is not watchable. I mean, physically. Hurt my ears and head.

 

[zombi]

I've taken to just scribbling huge dicks on the ballot when I vote for politicians

 

[Bay Arean]

That video is not watchable. I mean, physically. Hurt my ears and head.

Yer so sensitive.

 

[Bay Arean]

Ignore what?

Ignore that appalling ignorance by the electorate is not confined to people wearing tricorns and watching Fox News, which is what I hear the most.

 

[jdhu]

Yer so sensitive.

LOL yeah..probably racist too.

 

[greener]

 

[Nahullo]

Ignore that appalling ignorance by the electorate is not confined to people wearing tricorns and watching Fox News, which is what I hear the most.

Clearly, there are a lot of dip-shits in the our country and I am not sure any one party can claim a victory against ignorance...

I think you should look for videos or other examples that support your position by exposing liberal politicians and PACs that have a clearly defined agenda to silence the Tea Party or deny them constitutional rights. Saying, "those guys are stupid" is not going to convince mid-packers that your views are accurate. But that is just my opinion...

 

[Bay Arean]

Clearly, there are a lot of dip-shits in the our country and I am not sure any one party can claim a victory against ignorance...

I think you should look for videos or other examples that support your position by exposing liberal politicians and PACs that have a clearly defined agenda to silence the Tea Party or deny them constitutional rights. Saying, "those guys are stupid" is not going to convince mid-packers that your views are accurate. But that is just my opinion...

Nahullo, I'm not trying to change anybody's mind or campaign for Mitt or anybody, seriously. I'm going to vote, reluctantly, because I really find both candidates to have either policies I don't support (Obama), or to be vacuous and unpredictable (Mitt). I just think the clip is funny and part of the silly season. I do point out the double-standard because most liberals are afraid to make fun of a "person of color" but will unload on a Tea Party dummy if they're white and that's considered "safe."

But it is a thoughtful point to look for actual attempts to slander the opposition. To this day, I think that dude with the gun at the TP rally four years ago was some kind of plant, because he refused to identify himself or even comment to the reporters....

 

[morthrane]

I disagree with the drone war but to say all the stress in the region is our doing ignores the circumstances and ignorantly implies people would otherwise feel safe and secure.

Who cares about some poor brown people, its rather obvious that most Americans couldn't give a shit less about them... right?

The circumstances as I see it: people are being assassinated via unclear rules of engagement. The author of the OP's link put it very well IMHO:
"At worst, this policy creates more terrorists than it kills; at best, America is ruining the lives of thousands of innocent people and killing hundreds of innocents for a small increase in safety from terrorists. It is a cowardly, immoral, and illegal policy, deliberately cloaked in opportunistic secrecy."

That such activity is primarily happening to poor brown people and not US citizens... does not make it any less unethical and fucking evil. Voting for another Obama administration is, IMHO, tantamount to implicitly agreeing that such policies are fine and justified.

Personally speaking, I couldn't ever vote for any candidate who "wins" a Nobel Peace Prize and then goes on a murderous rampage across the whole world. I'm allergic to hypocrisy.

Arguing the citizenship rights of Anwar alawaki represents a danger to us all is simly rediculously IMO

Arguing that it doesn't represent a unquantified danger is simply ridiculous, ignorant of history, and ignorant of the role of precedence in the Law and politics. Slopes do not get much more slippery than this.

We had minor involvement in Libya congruent with past executive branch actions and NOTHING near what was done during the Bush Admin

I see many comparisons made between the Obama and Bush II administrations, and for the life of me I can't really see much difference.

I'm shocked that Obama backers haven't noticed-- despite four years to pay attention-- that a great deal of Obama's administration is essentially the same players from the previous administration, especially in the Treasury and finance oriented parts of the current administration.

Obama's first campaign ran on a vaporware message of Hope and Change. Promises of greater governmental transparency... Well, what have we got so far from that campaign promise?

So-if I vote out of fear I'll go with Obama.
If I vote from a place of hope I'll go with Romney.

How about bravery instead of fear or watered down hope? Stand up and find some candidate who represents your views and ideals best, and hold your head up high.

Voting for a candidate out of fear sounds like stockholm syndrome. :|

Hope-if Romney wins I hope that his policies will begin to not only address but take action regarding the Country's financial situation. Can he really use his experience and his vp's economic theories to re-right the ship? Decrease welfare dependency and increase the opportunity of jobs and personal responsibility?

I had to at least comment on this: the President of the USA is very indirect when it comes to the American economy, and the VP practically no effect whatsoever.

 

[mlm]

Who cares about some poor brown people, its rather obvious that most Americans couldn't give a shit less about them... right?

The circumstances as I see it: people are being assassinated via unclear rules of engagement. The author of the OP's link put it very well IMHO:
"At worst, this policy creates more terrorists than it kills; at best, America is ruining the lives of thousands of innocent people and killing hundreds of innocents for a small increase in safety from terrorists. It is a cowardly, immoral, and illegal policy, deliberately cloaked in opportunistic secrecy."

That such activity is primarily happening to poor brown people and not US citizens... does not make it any less unethical and fucking evil. Voting for another Obama administration is, IMHO, tantamount to implicitly agreeing that such policies are fine and justified.

Personally speaking, I couldn't ever vote for any candidate who "wins" a Nobel Peace Prize and then goes on a murderous rampage across the whole world. I'm allergic to hypocrisy.


Arguing that it doesn't represent a unquantified danger is simply ridiculous, ignorant of history, and ignorant of the role of precedence in the Law and politics. Slopes do not get much more slippery than this.


I see many comparisons made between the Obama and Bush II administrations, and for the life of me I can't really see much difference.

I'm shocked that Obama backers haven't noticed-- despite four years to pay attention-- that a great deal of Obama's administration is essentially the same players from the previous administration, especially in the Treasury and finance oriented parts of the current administration.

Obama's first campaign ran on a vaporware message of Hope and Change. Promises of greater governmental transparency... Well, what have we got so far from that campaign promise?


How about bravery instead of fear or watered down hope? Stand up and find some candidate who represents your views and ideals best, and hold your head up high.

Voting for a candidate out of fear sounds like stockholm syndrome. :|


I had to at least comment on this: the President of the USA is very indirect when it comes to the American economy, and the VP practically no effect whatsoever.

Perhaps you missed the part where I said I disagree with the "Drone War"? I actually agree with you regarding it's effect of creating more enemies. Perhaps our disagreement is that I see this as more putting our face on problems in a hostile environment than creating the hostile environment. It's nothing to do with racism, just my observation that the area was less than peaceful BEFORE we got there.

As for the citizenship issue. We're talking about someone who did about as much as I can think of to revoke his own citizenship. Not only was he actively calling for attacks against Americans. but he'd left the country with pretty much zero chance of ever coming back. The conditions are too extreme to form a slippery slope IMO.

I agree with most of what you state from an ideological standpoint, I just disagree when it comes to the pragmatic realities. I can recall very clearly calling BS on Obama's 2008 election campaign remarks to get us out of Afghanistan and Iraq. I wouldn't call them promises because they were littered with weasel words.

Bush's foreign policies created a mess that will take a couple decades to recover from. I think he did it for genuinely nobel reasons...just incredibly naive. Nobody is in a position to just cut our losses and leave overnight. It's a process that seems to be under way now and that is all anyone can expect IMO. Be glad we haven't taken military action against Iran instead of complaining or crying end of the world because we still have people in Afghanistan.