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Would you buy a Smart Car?
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cardinal03
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Might be of interest, most fuel efficient sedans of 2008:http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/list...id=edmunds.h..topfeatures.top10fuelsedans.0.*
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JakesKTM
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The Corolla is the best fuel efficient gas engine?
37 mpg highway :|
absolutely pathetic.......
Remember this car? http://www.welovehondas.com/crx.htm
14 years ago....57 mpg!
Somebody told me that it was increased safety requirements that did the old HF in....but I think it was increased pressure on congress to limit the fuel mileage so that oil companies could still make lots of mulah.
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cardinal03
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Yeah, the lack of improvement in fuel mileage over the years is pretty lame. I don't see any reason why one of the major manufacturers can't build a 100-mpg car that's at least as fast as the 4-2.
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JakesKTM
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Major Manufacturers + Oil Companies + Rubber Industry = Weeeeeee!
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yep it's true BUUUUT afaik the white stickers are still available. white = propane. you can convert old carbureted cars to propane pretty easily
Mistyz
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Yeah, they stopped handing out the HOV stickers in the beginning of last year. I read somewhere that the HOV sticker can add upwards of 2k (wish I could remember where so I could consider the source on that one) of value to the car. I have an 07 Honda Civic Hybrid without stickers and am looking to sell it pretty soon for a used truck. 
I'd rather pay more $$ in gas to have a truck to haul toys to the dirt/track in someday. 
I'd rather pay more $$ in gas to have a truck to haul toys to the dirt/track in someday. 
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Why did you have to pick an H2 of all SUVs? It has very poor offroad performance, the tie rods are made out of toothpicks and the suspension travel and articulation is laughable. Hell, a few years ago a woman around here managed to knock her wheel off in a bloody drive-thru! Seriously, how the fuck do you build a truck that big that is so fragile a housewife can knock the entire wheel assembly apart in a drive-thru at walking speed?
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Google made me do it?
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jt2
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Bah. Looks like they're *only* using the GSXR 1k engine.
I prefer this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPQIizRp9ck
yes, I know it is probably a repost, but how can you not like donuts like that?
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but does it have a backseat, or do the front seats recline??
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It might be that you're not totally up to speed on the auto industry Alex...
As safety requirements have increased, the average weight of vehicles has increased considerably from the svelte vehicles of the early 80's (the Japanese ones at least). Also, emissions have paired down power, and thus, decreased fuel economy, as well. As the manufacturers become more efficience with their designs, they must add weight and emissions requirements. For emissions reasons, ALL Ca vehicles run very lean...as do most in the continental US....just to pass the tests. That's not good for fuel economy.
Weight is the enemy of fuel economy, not any conspiracy from the oil companies. I can't believe people actually tout that line still...the oil companies make money despite what kind of vehicles sell.
The REAL reason that we don't have REAL high MPG vehicles is because the EPA/ CARB have an archaeic system of not allowing manufacturers credits for new technology that doesn't ascribe to their 1970's era lame ass city/ highway test.
racercutie
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but does it have a backseat, or do the front seats recline??
No back seat - the fronts recline only so far.
cardinal03
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While I agree that a lot of the CARB/EPA stuff is completely archaic, there are small, lightweight cars that are perfectly safe and pass emissions.
I think that with the technology and resources we have, we could easily come up with a 200-mile range, 100mpg (highway) sedan that goes 0-60 in, say, 10 seconds, with a maximum speed of 90mph.
The next generation Prius is reportedly going to nearly meet those numbers. I don't think it's an outrageous goal at all.
RRR70
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jt2
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All this is very true, but I think you miss the biggest factor - economic incentive. The profit margin on a gargantuan SUV is much much higher than an econobox.
Fact is also, for the last few years, the market has been demanding larger, more comfortable cars with ever-more power. Given that they're also more profitable, that's exactly what we've been getting.
Early-70s Deja vu for the automakers, except this time it isn't giant sedans, it is giant SUVs that dominate the market.
And now, just like the early 70s, the Detroit automakers are being caught with huge inventories of gas-guzzlers wondering what hit them.
zefflyn
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When you hit the grocery store, stop by the magazine stand and grab Car and Driver, page 71.
zefflyn
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Heck, just look at how Honda's product line has changed over the last 20 years. Honda used to be the champ of small, inexpensive, and economic cars. Now they are huge and fairly expensive.
But on the other hand, the Koreans moved in to fill the small & cheap niche. The Smart's got small, but isn't that cheap.
