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WTF with the chemtrail/contrails whatever?

westie said:
Something launched from very close to my house.
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When I was living in Lake Havasu Arizona, I used to see the same exact trails from a launch. It was coming from Vandenberg AFB, which is literally on the central CA coast... over 450 miles away.

They have a window of 9/10-11 to launch a VS12 Soyuz rocket, that is probably what you saw.
 
Reli said:
You talk of "educating ourselves"

The problem with doing that is, there's so much bullshit out there....

Meanwhile, scientists have already explained how these things can happen. But I guess that isn't good enough.
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Establishment authorities of all persuasions have been bullshitting the public for centuries. That's a fact. And yet, official bullshit is somehow so much easier for you and others to accept. Why is that.

I am not a scientist, but it seems to me that if it was so easy, as you claim, to distinguish "chemtrails" from natural ones, then smarter people than you or I would have already done so long ago, documented it, and taken their evidence to the proper authorities and/or media.
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If the "proper authorities" (and their corp media) are ultimately tied to the same power structure that is aerosol-spraying our skies - for whatever reason - erm, do you not see the insurmountable challenge? Complaining about the "proper authorities" to the "proper authorities" lolz nice

Not to mention that in order to blanket a sufficiently large part of the country, for so many years, thousands of people would probably need to be knowingly involved.
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That line of thinking is thoroughly fallacious. Compartmentalization could easily see a clandestine program through, with very few people knowing the real purpose of a particular program. See: Manhattan project. Beyond that, there's the possibility of ginormous pay-offs to just do a certain job, put ethics aside if/when needed and either lie or keep quiet. In fact, I can think of many everyday professions like that. For instance - politics, anyone? :rolleyes

Are we proposing that only a handful of guys are tampering with the nation's fuel supply? Then they wouldn't have any control over when and where that tampered fuel was used. We'd see chemtrails everyday, everywhere. Since that isn't happening, I guess that rules out that theory.
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Who said this has anything to do with fuel?

Or are we proposing that some sort of extra equipment/chemicals are loaded onto each flight, selectively? Then that would exponentially increase the number of people involved.
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Really, why? I disagree. Again - compartmentalization. Meanwhile - if a secret aerosol-spraying program is, in fact, going on, you can bet they're not using commercial passenger aircraft. It would likely be under military cover, utilizing military and/or private assets. Money = control.
 
redruM said:
and your self-proclaimed knowledge of atmospheric science and/or jet propulsion isn't just "regurgitating what you've read/heard"?

to answer your question, "they do this" all year round. just at select times. only a fool in denial can't tell the difference between commercial jet vapor trails that disappear rather quickly, and thick/billowy/persistent streaming-white trails that hold shape for up to an hour and then spread out and remain for many more hours, turning an otherwise clear day into a hazy "cloudy" mess. btw, I recall a couple of light rain showers over the last few months in the early a.m

anyway, geo-engineering is real. it's been going on for decades. no need to call out names of questionable secret societies... there's plenty of documentation to be gleaned out there on the net (for now, anyway) of govt-sponsored plans of weather engineering going back to the 70s.

instead of being online witticists and know-it-alls, many of you would be well-served challenging your groupthink notions and (re)educating yourselves.
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https://www.google.com/search?q=cor...j0l3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-US
 
Hey redrum, after out short private discussion where you admitted no evidence to the contrary will change your mind. I realized rational debate with you on this things has no point.
But just curious.
Is there any anti government conspiracy you don't subscribe to by default?
 
Corb said:
Is there any anti government conspiracy you don't subscribe to by default?
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1.) I'm not "anti government", nor is this necessarily an "anti-government conspiracy".

2.) I subscribe to nothing and question everything.

I watched the intro of that Joe Rogaine show you posted... immediately reeked of lame sensationalism and controlled opposition. My hunch is that it was produced in a way to make the average viewer conclude that people who question shit like this are stupid or crazy - but, i'll give it a whirl.

Hey, so is there any establishment position or official narrative you don't subscribe to by default?

See how that works? :wave
 
redruM said:
1.) I'm not "anti government", nor is this necessarily an "anti-government conspiracy".
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Sure fulled me with your anti vaccine, anti gmo, pro chem trails position.


2.) I subscribe to nothing and question everything.
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That sounds very open minded and rational.
Except you reject any evidence against your ideas out of hand as bias propaganda. Even scientific consensus at world wide level.
So not that open minded at all.


I watched the intro of that Joe Rogaine show you posted... immediately reeked of lame sensationalism and controlled opposition. My hunch is that it was produced in a way to make the average viewer conclude that people who question shit like this are stupid or crazy - but, i'll give it a whirl.
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Yea, I'm beginning to become very familiar with this way of thinking around here. "Anyone who doesn't agree with my position is just spreading bias propaganda. The quality of their argument is irrelevant by default"

Hey, so is there any establishment position or official narrative you don't subscribe to by default?

See how that works? :wave
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I see how you think that works except the difference is that I understand the value of good science and I respect scientific consensus above my own intuition and feelings.
I don't doubt science can be manipulated and propaganda can be used to manipulate public opinion on some things.
But the stuff you talk about like vaccines, gmo's and chem trails are a world wide phenomenon that would require such a complex web of manipulation and organization and the arguments that support those conspiratorial ideas are so weak and so much based on ignorance and intuition that I'm quite comfortable dismissing.
 
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V4 said:
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I don't expect to "win" arguments with people like redrum at all.
For all the "I'm rational and open minded" talk they have all the evidence is exactly the opposite.

If you ask somebody what kind of evidence can change their mind and they flat out tell you "Nothing, because they know better" rational becomes a meaningless word
 
i only has a GED but i do believe it'd be more due to physics rather than a comspiracy ...
 
here's my theory: when you see those trails , hear the noise from the turbine engine, the plane is flying to some place..

tadaaaaa!
 
thanks for that article. Very interesting! I still thought it was weird to see the CONTRAILS in quite the way I have, but no, I didn't get sprayed with alien zombie dust.
 
If you believe they're a conspiracy, you're a fucking moron.
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Most people who use the word 'conspiracy' don't even know what the fuck they're saying. It's become a sensationalized word & concept, mocked by popular culture (aka the establishment - shocker) and its hordes of mindless followers to marginalize those who dare question the world as framed by the framers. Conspiracy is just a spooky and smarmy way of saying 'alternative agenda'.

Of course, the masses of groupthink sharpies also assigned fucking-moron status to people who thought there might be conspiracies regarding:

- The Manhattan Project
- Asbestos
- Watergate
- MK Ultra
- Operation Northwoods
- Operation Mockingbird
- The Mafia
- Operation Paperclip
- CIA drug running
- The Tuskegee syphilis study
- Etc. etc and so forth through history

In all cases, conspiracies/alternative agendas were eventually proven.

And I'm sure all the smart groupthinkers apologized to their 'fucking moronic' friends afterward for mocking and ridiculing them. :laughing :barf

The more accurate statement: If you believe everything you're told by establishment sources, you're a fucking moron.
 
redruM said:
Most people who use the word 'conspiracy' don't even know what the fuck they're saying. It's become a sensationalized word & concept, mocked by popular culture (aka the establishment - shocker) and its hordes of mindless followers to marginalize those who dare question the world as framed by the framers. Conspiracy is just a spooky and smarmy way of saying 'alternative agenda'.

Of course, the masses of groupthink sharpies also assigned fucking-moron status to people who thought there might be conspiracies regarding:

- The Manhattan Project
- Asbestos
- Watergate
- MK Ultra
- Operation Northwoods
- Operation Mockingbird
- The Mafia
- Operation Paperclip
- CIA drug running
- The Tuskegee syphilis study
- Etc. etc and so forth through history

In all cases, conspiracies/alternative agendas were eventually proven.

And I'm sure all the smart groupthinkers apologized to their 'fucking moronic' friends afterward for mocking and ridiculing them. :laughing :barf

The more accurate statement: If you believe everything you're told by establishment sources, you're a fucking moron.
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Again on face value what you say seems rational and sensible.

However the big difference is that the standard you use for what is truth or not is your intuition above all else.
You reject scientific consensus that goes against your ideas as bias propaganda controlled by those who want the truth you believe in not to be exposed.
Thats what makes you and your kind worthy of being mocked for it.

Nobody denies some conspiracy's exist. Its the standards and reasons you accept to justify or prove the ones you believe in that is your problem.
 
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redruM said:
Most people who use the word 'conspiracy' don't even know what the fuck they're saying. It's become a sensationalized word & concept, mocked by popular culture (aka the establishment - shocker) and its hordes of mindless followers to marginalize those who dare question the world as framed by the framers. Conspiracy is just a spooky and smarmy way of saying 'alternative agenda'.

Of course, the masses of groupthink sharpies also assigned fucking-moron status to people who thought there might be conspiracies regarding:

- The Manhattan Project
- Asbestos
- Watergate
- MK Ultra
- Operation Northwoods
- Operation Mockingbird
- The Mafia
- Operation Paperclip
- CIA drug running
- The Tuskegee syphilis study
- Etc. etc and so forth through history

In all cases, conspiracies/alternative agendas were eventually proven.

And I'm sure all the smart groupthinkers apologized to their 'fucking moronic' friends afterward for mocking and ridiculing them. :laughing :barf

The more accurate statement: If you believe everything you're told by establishment sources, you're a fucking moron.
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Don't forget Weyland-Yutani Corporation on that list. Fuckin'.....Burke. I knew he couldn't be trusted.
 
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