you wear a $700 helmet, but you bought FRANK THOMAS leathers...

[J-]

The CG(I mean the "un-named store") guy is a toolbag. Anyone making fun of lower cost gear blows the toolbag. Anyone that thinks that just because someone wears a certain brand of gear is a poser has no toolbag.
Anyone that thinks a more expensive helmet has no benefits beyond a less expensive helmet must have crashed in theirs 'cuz they "gots bRaIn DaMaGE"

But what do I know? I know posers. Afterall I ride a Ducati, wear A* gear, Suomy helmets and like *bux nastiness. arty
J-

 

[Burning1]

Anyone that thinks a more expensive helmet has no benefits beyond a less expensive helmet must have crashed in theirs 'cuz they "gots bRaIn DaMaGE"

But what do I know? I know posers. Afterall I ride a Ducati, wear A* gear, Suomy helmets and like *bux nastiness. arty
J-

My last job was in a sales position. We had a saying in that job: "Perception creates reality." A man who spends an extra $300 on a helmet has the perception that he's buying extra safety.

As I said, I'm sure the X-Eleven is an excellent helmet. I would not be surprised to find that it was better than the RF-1000 (that I wear) in every way. But... it's better because of the design, NOT because of the price. Price helps pay for quality, but doesn't guarantee it.

The important question is "what can you afford and how will the money be best spent?" $300 will pay for a track day or the MSF course. Both are far more likely to safe your life than investing extra in a helmet.

As a side note, I'd advise against suggesting that those who disagree with you have brain damage.

 

[J-]

My last job was in a sales position. We had a saying in that job: "Perception creates reality." A man who spends an extra $300 on a helmet has the perception that he's buying extra safety.

As I said, I'm sure the X-Eleven is an excellent helmet. I would not be surprised to find that it was better than the RF-1000 (that I wear) in every way. But... it's better because of the design, NOT because of the price. Price helps pay for quality, but doesn't guarantee it.

The important question is "what can you afford and how will the money be best spent?" $300 will pay for a track day or the MSF course. Both are far more likely to safe your life than investing extra in a helmet.

As a side note, I'd advise against suggesting that those who disagree with you have brain damage.

I would suggest you re-read what I posted very carefully.
J-

 

[SuperMike]

Anyone that thinks a more expensive helmet has no benefits beyond a less expensive helmet must have crashed in theirs 'cuz they "gots bRaIn DaMaGE"

 

[J-]

 

[H.D.30-06]

My first set of leathers was an F.T. 2 piece. It got road tested more times than I care to mention. It always held up fine. MHO nothing wrong with F.T. gear. Any gear beats no gear. The exception being "beanie helmets" Those are not even gear in my opinion.

 

[mikooldaddy]

stirred up a bit of debate, i did. hey guys...for the record, i like this retail establishment that sold me the FT leathers. i've made friends with the sales staff at my local store and they all give superb customer service. great bunch of guys and girls! i really mean that. no regrets whatsoever and i will continue to go there for more stuff i might need. just because one persons made a comment that he didn't really think it through doesnt make the chain of stores a bad place to do business. im sure he meant no offense by it and none taken. just wanted some good feedback regarding the true quality of FT from people who have worn them. thanks to all the veterans for chiming in!

ps...FRANK THOMAS leathers for sale $350 obo. JUST KIDDING!

 

[livedd0]

so i walk into this cycle shop that sells FRANK THOMAS leathers (you know the one), and purchase a 2-piece set. the price was right ($370), the fit was great, the quality of the leather was acceptable as well as the craftmanship. i've done my share of online shopping and comparisons and felt satisfied that this was a cool deal.

...Then that's all that matters man. Just bcus you have a pricey helmet doesnt mean you have to cont. to purchase high-end gear each and everytime you're in need of spending. Granted, you don't want to ride in a vinyl leather-like set-up, but to me, screw it, you bought what you wanted to, and really, it shouldn't matter what any salesman or fellow BARF-er thinks about your gear man.

 

[Sane_Man]

it shouldn't matter what any salesman or fellow BARF-er thinks about your gear man.

He is gonna be shunned by the tennybobber's at *$'s.

 

[Archimedes]

My last job was in a sales position. We had a saying in that job: "Perception creates reality." A man who spends an extra $300 on a helmet has the perception that he's buying extra safety.

Not just safety. I bought my $500+ helmets not just for safety, but light weight, low wind noise, nice padding, consistency of fit, nice graphics, etc., etc. If an Arai were $250 and an HJC was $500, I wouldn't be buying an HJC.

Not knocking any of the helmets out there, as there are a lot of good, safe helmets on the market. But the idea that you're just paying for name when you buy an Arai/Shoei/Suomy is short sighted.

 

[ANDS!]

prove me wrong. please.

+1. I'll never understand why people extend the "you get what you pay for" (in regards to safety) mentality towards helmets - considering that they are all at least DOT certified.

and what's wrong with HJC!??? here we go again....

I HAD an HJC-12 (Pegasus). That thing was awesome, especially the price.

what is the most important thing is how it fits your head shape

Very true. I have an ICON right now, but if I ever got some spare change, I might get a spare HJC because that sucker felt like it was making love to my head when it was on.

{quote]But the idea that you're just paying for name when you buy an Arai/Shoei/Suomy is short sighted.[/quote]

Cant you get aftermarket stuff for those other things you mentioned. And as for wind-noise, pop two earplugs in and bam - no more wind-noise.

 

[SuperMike]

...as for wind-noise, pop two earplugs in and bam - no more wind-noise.

But what brand should we get?

..

 

[LongGoneJohn]

Say what I say to people when they tell me what I should buy.

"Buy it for me and I'll wear it."

 

[J-]

Not just safety. I bought my $500+ helmets not just for safety, but light weight, low wind noise, nice padding, consistency of fit, nice graphics, etc., etc. If an Arai were $250 and an HJC was $500, I wouldn't be buying an HJC.

Not knocking any of the helmets out there, as there are a lot of good, safe helmets on the market. But the idea that you're just paying for name when you buy an Arai/Shoei/Suomy is short sighted.

WINNER!!
You can tailor the fit to your melon too..
I never said a word about safety.
Reading comprehension people, "reading comprehension"arty
J-

 

[ANDS!]

But what brand should we get?

..

HowardLeight Fusion all the way -

 

[tiptoezoomzoom]

Don't fall for the hypes, 50% of it is marketing, and most people are too shallow to think and fall for it. I've had leathers from AGV, FirstGear, TourMaster, FT, ....They all held up well. There're always cases where you get a weird crash that could damage the suit badly, but any brand suit has its day. Dianese's been successfully tightening its Italian, and racing heritage to the suit, other than that it's pretty much the same.

 

[Burning1]

Not knocking any of the helmets out there, as there are a lot of good, safe helmets on the market. But the idea that you're just paying for name when you buy an Arai/Shoei/Suomy is short sighted.

I don't think anyone was suggesting that.

My point was that you should compare helmets based on fit, feel, comfort, style, safety, etc. Not just on price.

 

[Var]

Not just safety. I bought my $500+ helmets not just for safety, but light weight, low wind noise, nice padding, consistency of fit, nice graphics, etc., etc. If an Arai were $250 and an HJC was $500, I wouldn't be buying an HJC.

Not knocking any of the helmets out there, as there are a lot of good, safe helmets on the market. But the idea that you're just paying for name when you buy an Arai/Shoei/Suomy is short sighted.

I like my Icon Mainframe 10x better than my Arai RX7RR3, which had tons of wind noise and crappy feeling build quality(but the padding in the Arai was nicer w00t). Arai was about 450 or 500 don't recall, and i got the Icon for $135 on clearance from Motostrano.

 

[Archimedes]

I don't think anyone was suggesting that.

My point was that you should compare helmets based on fit, feel, comfort, style, safety, etc. Not just on price.

Totally agree. I'd buy the cheapest helmet that met all my criteria. However, having just gone through the process of trying on a ton of helmets last year when I got back into motorcycling, I still came to the conclusion that I preferred the Arai/Suomy lids over any of the rest. If those helmets were $150 and said ICON on them, I'd still buy them. Could care less what name is on the side.

I've got a $150 Fox helmet and it is definately a $150 helmet.

 

[PutPut]

I like my FT stuff. It's way better than nothing and at that price, I could get two jackets (one perf leather for summer, one reg leather for winter) for the price of one of those other brands...