Young Steven Seagal Aikido

[Karbon]

The man is HARD TO KILL even when MARKED FOR DEATH!

nice.

 

[Dmk510]

Isn't half of Aikido training learning how to take those falls?

Would it go as smoothly with someone not trained in that discipline?

Ignorant people who watch these vids say stuff like, "oh they just fall over", but when an Aikido practicioner tries to throw you to the ground and you don't allow your body to follow, you WILL be much more hurt than if you took the exaggerated fall.

My friend ALWAYS ends up hurting someone when were at a party and the Aikido talk starts comming out. Someone drunk ass always wants to challenge. They will say "oh yea, well when you do this, what if I do THIS!"

Then all the sudden there's blood.

 

[Aluisious]

Ignorant people who watch these vids say stuff like, "oh they just fall over", but when an Aikido practicioner tries to throw you to the ground and you don't allow your body to follow, you WILL be much more hurt than if you took the exaggerated fall.

My friend ALWAYS ends up hurting someone when were at a party and the Aikido talk starts comming out. Someone drunk ass always wants to challenge. They will say "oh yea, well when you do this, what if I do THIS!"

Then all the sudden there's blood.

Yeeeeah not so much.

I did Yoshinkan Aikido for four years, got a black belt. All good times but it doesn't go so smoothly when you're being attacked by someone who isn't either cooperating, drunk, or a clown. Notice how basically everyone is running at him? Try throwing someone who jabbing at you from three feet away. It's not as easy.

Most Aikido practioners I've seen get real comfortable with this mythical running attacker they practice with all the time, and get confused quick when confronted by someone using a kickboxing/grappling style. Which unfortunately is anyone who is actually interested in fighting these days.

 

[socialDK]

some people say Seagal is a reincarnation of a super monk. Can't remember exactly what he called him.

 

[Silence]

Yeeeeah not so much.

I did Yoshinkan Aikido for four years, got a black belt. All good times but it doesn't go so smoothly when you're being attacked by someone who isn't either cooperating, drunk, or a clown. Notice how basically everyone is running at him? Try throwing someone who jabbing at you from three feet away. It's not as easy.

Most Aikido practioners I've seen get real comfortable with this mythical running attacker they practice with all the time, and get confused quick when confronted by someone using a kickboxing/grappling style. Which unfortunately is anyone who is actually interested in fighting these days.

The inability to adapt, compromise and apply technique in a dynamic environment is a shortcoming of the practitioner--regardless of what style they practice. Earning a black belt is only the first step in pursuing mastery--as it merely indicates that you can regurgitate techniques. And given the nature of Aikido, four years is a very short of a time span for an individual to be able to make the critical breakthrough that will allow them to go beyond the confines of kata and the nage-uke dynamics. It's also typically much easier to make the breakthrough in striking forms than it is in grappling forms.

 

[Climber]

The inability to adapt, compromise and apply technique in a dynamic environment is a shortcoming of the practitioner--regardless of what style they practice. Earning a black belt is only the first step in pursuing mastery--as it merely indicates that you can regurgitate techniques. And given the nature of Aikido, four years is a very short of a time span for an individual to be able to make the critical breakthrough that will allow them to go beyond the confines of kata and the nage-uke dynamics. It's also typically much easier to make the breakthrough in striking forms than it is in grappling forms.

+1 In my Okinawan system, you weren't considered a student until you got your Black Belt, and that took a minimum of 4 years (usually at least 5). Prior to that, you were just learning be basics and foundation to become a student.

With something like Aikido, it takes decades to make it truly practical.

 

[Just J]

Kudos to Seagal but I still hate his acting

 

[Aluisious]

The inability to adapt, compromise and apply technique in a dynamic environment is a shortcoming of the practitioner--regardless of what style they practice. Earning a black belt is only the first step in pursuing mastery--as it merely indicates that you can regurgitate techniques. And given the nature of Aikido, four years is a very short of a time span for an individual to be able to make the critical breakthrough that will allow them to go beyond the confines of kata and the nage-uke dynamics. It's also typically much easier to make the breakthrough in striking forms than it is in grappling forms.

That basically all boils down to "Aikido is a nice pastime, but learn something else if you want to fight people."

I watched the video and identified what was happening through my experience. What are you basing this on?

 

[Silence]

That basically all boils down to "Aikido is a nice pastime, but learn something else if you want to fight people."

I watched the video and identified what was happening through my experience. What are you basing this on?

I never said it's ineffective, I just pointed out that it requires more dedication than other arts just to become competent. I agree about the complacency and incompetence of many Aikido practitioners and I'm not saying that the art is without flaws--though the Shodokan style of instruction addresses most of my gripes.

I fit the anti-Aikido formula since my background is in Karate and wrestling but the difference between me and an adept Aikido practitioner is that I'm only calculating three to four steps ahead at any one moment and they're approaching six to seven. I've had it demonstrated to me repeatedly that unless I start to think further ahead, my fate is usually sealed by my second or third move and they always have the advantage because they never take the role of the aggressor. But in order to do this, the practitioner must be able to understand/wholly see through their opponent (mikiru) which is a skill that can only be achieved through experience--which of course requires a great deal of time. Not good for westerners that need instant gratification. Kendo people often say that the match is decided when the first move is made but it's not far from the truth for both Kendo and Aikido.

 

[Burning1]

Speaking as a martial arts instructor... The mistake most people make is that they expect their experience to work outside of the context of their training. This can be true even of MMA; MMA is not an ultimate self defence when your opponent could pull a gun or a knife. MMA is not practiced on pavement, or against multiple attackers. Curb stomping is not a legal MMA technique.

Of all the style's I've trained in, my preference for for self defence is:

1. Gun
2. Sword / Stick
3. Knife.
4. Striking
5. Grappling.

Avoidance is always the safest approach.