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Your thoughts on gun handling (poll) *a bit long winded...*

An "amber" status gun is....

  • a deadly weapon and could go off at any time and should NEVER be pointed in a unsafe direction

    Votes: 17 36.2%

  • a gun that must be carried carefully and responsibly, but still a paperweight

    Votes: 20 42.6%

  • WTF G force talkn' 'bout, mate !?

    Votes: 6 12.8%

  • I am a pussy CA resident who doesnt even own a gun, and I need to GTFO of this thread

    Votes: 4 8.5%
  • Total voters
    47
i see pluses on both sides...:

Glock: all weather capability (and can be shot with all lube gone), reliable, quick field strip, trigger safety, can leave a chamber in round and ready to fire without accidental discharge, etc

1911: thumb+grip safety, you can keep the hammer half-cocked, etc

i think its all up to personal preferences...me? i personally cant shoot a glock for shite...1911 and USPs i can keep accurate but for some odd reason, Glocks hate me :teeth

now lets get back on topic :p
 
Aluisious said:
Yeah, what do LAPD SWAT, LAPD SIS, FBI HRT, Delta Force, Marine MEU(SOC)...etc know about combat weapons, or enemies?
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Oh, my bad. I guess no elite tactical units carry Glocks... :hand And the military units have no bearing on this conversation. In truth, if those guys are dropping their M4s to transition to a pistol, they've got bigger problems.


Aluisious said:
Your point being?

The difference is clearly noticeable to good shots.
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82% of Officer Involved Shootings occurred between 0 and 20 feet from the years 1991 to 2000. (SOURCE) Tell me you're going to see that "match grade" accuracy of a race tuned 1911 in those situations. 'Fraid not.

We're not talking about shooting paper silhouettes with compensated, red dot sighted, 1911 abominations. Remember... We're talking about defending a home/family/self from a violent attacker.
 
Eisernkreuz said:
I'm willing to bet local law enforcement personnel (PD, Sheriff, CHP, etc) see more action and shootings than the special units you listed.
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Joe BeatCop gets more action than LAPD SWAT or Delta (two wars going)? You're just talking out of your ass now.

Eisernkreuz said:
The difference is clearly noticeable to good shots in good weather in mostly stationary positions, with no stress or anxiety, no emotions involved, no dynamic situations, no innocent bystanders, etc. :thumbup
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:bs
 
Nick said:
Oh, my bad. I guess no elite tactical units carry Glocks... :hand And the military units have no bearing on this conversation. In truth, if those guys are dropping their M4s to transition to a pistol, they've got bigger problems.
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How do military units have no bearing on a discussion about shooting "quickly and accurately" in a large caliber?

They absolutely count, and they count more than your average cop.
 
Mike T said:
i see pluses on both sides...:

Glock: all weather capability (and can be shot with all lube gone), reliable, quick field strip, trigger safety, can leave a chamber in round and ready to fire without accidental discharge, etc

i think its all up to personal preferences...me? i personally cant shoot a glock for shite...1911 and USPs i can keep accurate but for some odd reason, Glocks hate me :teeth

now lets get back on topic :p
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When I first got mine I noticed the grip is a little different. I had to adjust the center of my grip on the weapon about 1/8". It felt awkward for a little while, but now it's quite natural.
 
:laughing

this is great !

glock vs 1911 !

I find it easier to hit the target with the 1911, but I have NO idea why
 
planegray said:
:laughing

this is great !

glock vs 1911 !

I find it easier to hit the target with the 1911, but I have NO idea why
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:p my buddy, whos a glock shooter, said to me once: "yeah, it takes a lil bit to get used to to shoot accurate"

does anyone else find this to be true?
 
Aluisious said:
Joe BeatCop gets more action than LAPD SWAT or Delta (two wars going)? You're just talking out of your ass now.



:bs
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I'm talking about averages. There are way more local cops than special unit cops or soldiers. And yes, I think that they have much more pistol-shooting action than a Delta guy whose primary is an M4A3.

And what I said about competition shooting makes sense. At a competition, no one is shooting back, your partner isn't pinned down or worse, bleeding out with no way for you to get to him unless you kill the shooter first, etc. There's no stress or emotion, just stand there and empty a magazine at a static target. Perfect 1911 conditions...you can put five magazines on the bench in front of you and have the same number of rounds in two mags of my CZ :p Combat, son!
 
Eisernkreuz said:
I'm talking about averages. There are way more local cops than special unit cops or soldiers. And yes, I think that they have much more pistol-shooting action than a Delta guy whose primary is an M4A3.

And what I said about competition shooting makes sense. At a competition, no one is shooting back, your partner isn't pinned down or worse, bleeding out with no way for you to get to him unless you kill the shooter first, etc. There's no stress or emotion, just stand there and empty a magazine at a static target. Perfect 1911 conditions...you can put five magazines on the bench in front of you and have the same number of rounds in two mags of my CZ :p Combat, son!
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You're talking about totals. Your average SWAT sees far more than your average beat cop, and the fact that there's a thousand times more beatcops seeing more events in total doesn't say much about the capability of an individual pistol.

I don't see your point in the competition thing. Are you claiming that when SHTF, Joe SWATGuy turns into a blubbering mess who can't hit his target with anything, so he may as well spray and pray with a Glock?

Glocks are great for what they are. They cost 500 bucks, they're all pretty good, and they'll get the job done. A Glock is a great way to arm a police force without breaking the bank or ending up with some fruity guns that have reliability problems. When you know you're going into harm's way, you have a more generous budget, and you can train vigorously, a Glock just isn't as finely tuned a weapon as a 1911 can be.

My initial point was that 1911s are better for rapid, accurate shooting in the caliber, and I'm sticking to it. They're more complicated and cost more, so what?
 
I shoot a Hi point 9mm for fun. After the firs 100 or so rounds it doesn't jam and I can't shoot any better with other pistols (except a buckmark .22)

I do like the look of the Kahrs though.

The only person I know who has killed people (3) with a handgun only carries a 1911.
 
Meter Man said:
I shoot a Hi point 9mm for fun. After the firs 100 or so rounds it doesn't jam and I can't shoot any better with other pistols (except a buckmark .22)

I do like the look of the Kahrs though.

The only person I know who has killed people (3) with a handgun only carries a 1911.
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The only person i ever knew that killed people with a handgun used a 1911 too(My Pops in Vietnam)
 
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