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CSC motorcycles? RZ3

Kestrel you do realize that Joe didn't start this thread, right? It was actually started by SF--someone who's been on teh Barf a significant number of years, and happens to be curious about a new bike that was just announced on the Motor Cyclist website (not CSC's website). Yes Joe is associated with CSC he states that in his first paragraph, and then he offers to answer questions people may have--I didn't see any inappropriate behavior. Just an offer to answer questions.

Now if a person associated with Kawasaki, Honda, Suzuki, or any other bike producer of a bike which you happen to own posted an offer to answer questions would he be treated with such "kind" words? Not very likely. So what's with all the grief? :party

He didn't start it, but he did *just* sign up for this forum. If you search for your own press release, and then join a forum to specifically to push the product where you see it mentioned... I don't care what you call it, but that's marketing, buddy. He doesn't sponsor these forums, so he shouldn't be here pushing his crap.

But it's only one post, they say... Well if you check his profile over at ADVRider, you'll see he's already interjected the PR for this bike into a number of threads. Joe & other owners aggressively push CSC crap over at ADV to the point where interjection into threads has become somewhat of a contentious issue.

http://advrider.com/index.php?members/gatling.30876/

Fact is, for $3.5k, this thing is hardly a value. Joe, however, seems to believe it's even better than a Street Triple.

http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/csc-rz3.1165536/#post-30079588

Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
 
He didn't start it, but he did *just* sign up for this forum. If you search for your own press release, and then join a forum to specifically to push the product where you see it mentioned... I don't care what you call it, but that's marketing, buddy. He doesn't sponsor these forums, so he shouldn't be here pushing his crap.

But it's only one post, they say... Well if you check his profile over at ADVRider, you'll see he's already interjected the PR for this bike into a number of threads. Joe & other owners aggressively push CSC crap over at ADV to the point where interjection into threads has become somewhat of a contentious issue.

http://advrider.com/index.php?members/gatling.30876/

Fact is, for $3.5k, this thing is hardly a value. Joe, however, seems to believe it's even better than a Street Triple.

http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/csc-rz3.1165536/#post-30079588

Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

Guilty as charged on all counts, except the cocaine thing, Kestrel. Struck a nerve with you, did I? My advice...nah, it would be wasted. Keep on doing what you are doing, my testy Kesty. We appreciate all inputs.

In the meantime, if anybody has any questions on any of our bikes, let me know.

Here's another one...the RC3. They are arriving this week. Kestrel, I think this one might have your name on it (oh, and thanks for bumping the thread to the top again).

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I'd like to know who makes it. Zongshen makes the engine, does another mfr make everything else? And, what parts are fully interchangeable with what other Japanese make/model? Like the Chinese Christini AWD, it's been getting a little better as they swap Chinese brakes/suspension for Austrian/Japanese stuff, plus all the CRF450X parts swap over, so you can make it decent over time as parts wear out.
 
(oh, and thanks for bumping the thread to the top again).

And thats really your main point of being here on BARF right? You want the thread called CSC motorcycles? RZ3 to keep appearing at the top of the page when people click new posts or todays posts?

Well thats ok 2 people can play thats game. Here is some quality pictures of your products:



...something I’ve never encountered before on any motorcycle…the countershaft sprocket nut came off...

Don't worry about responding as every time you BUMP this thread, I'll find a picture just like above to remind the good members on here of the quality of your bikes...

Nothing against you or your products, just your tactics. You can choose to back out now if you wish.
 
And thats really your main point of being here on BARF right? You want the thread called CSC motorcycles? RZ3 to keep appearing at the top of the page when people click new posts or todays posts?

Well thats ok 2 people can play thats game. Here is some quality pictures of your products:





Don't worry about responding as every time you BUMP this thread, I'll find a picture just like above to remind the good members on here of the quality of your bikes...

Nothing against you or your products, just your tactics. You can choose to back out now if you wish.

that happens to triumphs also-did the same on my thruxton-whats wrong with hearing about new motos.i didn't read any high pressure tactics.just give a call if you are interested.
 
Zongshen manufactures the motorcycle in the sense that they are the designer and the assembler. They manufacture the engine, which is a design developed jointly with Piaggio (Zongshen has also sold this engine on a limited basis to other manufacturers for use in dual sport applications). The fuel injection system is manufactured by Delphi. The forks, frame, handlebars, wheels, tires, switchgear, and many of the other components are manufactured by numerous subcontractors to Zongshen. In that sense, they are similar to other motorcycle manufacturers and most other large scale manufacturers (Ford, Boeing, etc.). I don't know that any of the other parts are directly interchangeable with the parts being used on other motorcycles, although I suspect that would be the case because Zongshen and the other two large Chinese motorcycle manufacturers make engines and other components for many other manufacturers in Europe, Japan, China, and elsewhere. For example, Loncin (another Japanese manufacturer) makes complete engines for some of the BMW models. For a while, Zongshen was making parts for Harley. Zongshen builds complete bikes for Piaggio and another major manufacturer in Taiwan. There's a lot going on in the Chinese motorcycle manufacturing world these days that would surprise a lot of people who criticize Chinese products.

Hey, another photo...it's probably the one I'll use on the cover of my new book on our recent 6-week ride across China...this is a Chinese rider on an RX3, another of our bikes.

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And thats really your main point of being here on BARF right? You want the thread called CSC motorcycles? RZ3 to keep appearing at the top of the page when people click new posts or todays posts?

Well thats ok 2 people can play thats game. Here is some quality pictures of your products:





Don't worry about responding as every time you BUMP this thread, I'll find a picture just like above to remind the good members on here of the quality of your bikes...

Nothing against you or your products, just your tactics. You can choose to back out now if you wish.

Go for it. That was the only failure we had on a 2000-mile ride with 15 new RX3s literally the first week they arrived in the US. I took that photo and wrote about it extensively on the CSC blog (which, if you check the URL, is where that photo came from) and in my book on that ride, which you can purchase here...

https://www.amazon.com/5000-Miles-A...860634&sr=8-1&keywords=5000+miles+at+8000+rpm

You should buy several copies of the book. Don't wait for the movie. I wanted di Caprio to play me, they countered with Danny DeVito, and things kind of went south after that.

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Think about that...one lost countershaft sprocket nut on 15 brand new Chinese motorcycles racking up over 26,000 miles in Baja, the first week they arrived in the US. On the recent 8800-km ride across China, there were no failures. On our second Baja ride with 14 bikes, there were no failures. On the ride through Colombia, there were no failures.
 
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Zongshen manufactures the motorcycle in the sense that they are the designer and the assembler. They manufacture the engine, which is a design developed jointly with Piaggio (Zongshen has also sold this engine on a limited basis to other manufacturers for use in dual sport applications). The fuel injection system is manufactured by Delphi. The forks, frame, handlebars, wheels, tires, switchgear, and many of the other components are manufactured by numerous subcontractors to Zongshen. In that sense, they are similar to other motorcycle manufacturers...

Thanks for that. The bold is what I'm really curious about. With the Japanese bikes, you gain confidence over time in the proven sub-companies; Showa, KYB, Nissin, Excel, Keihin, etc. We're only on the front end of being able to trust some Chinese mfr's, Zongshen engines for example, but the sub-component mfr's need to up their game and develop their 'brand' so that we can start to trust them, or at least know what their weaknesses are and keep up on them, same as we do with any other brand.

Is the Delphi EFI user programmable?
 
Thanks for that. The bold is what I'm really curious about. With the Japanese bikes, you gain confidence over time in the proven sub-companies; Showa, KYB, Nissin, Excel, Keihin, etc. We're only on the front end of being able to trust some Chinese mfr's, Zongshen engines for example, but the sub-component mfr's need to up their game and develop their 'brand' so that we can start to trust them, or at least know what their weaknesses are and keep up on them, same as we do with any other brand.

Is the Delphi EFI user programmable?

That would be cool if they stopped by the various subs on their trip through China to show off their QC. I know actual QC exists in China but you gotta look for it just like anywhere
 
Hey, another photo...it's probably the one I'll use on the cover of my new book

Nah you should go with this one it will be more truthful to what future owners can expect probably.

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That was the only failure we had on a 2000-mile ride with 15 new RX3s literally the first week they arrived in the US.

So 1/15 BRAND new bikes has a counter sprocket nut spin off in the first 2000 miles? Yea thats probably the same ratio on DRZ's and Triumphs as well. Fuck it good enough eh?
 
The Delphi EFI is not user programmable at this instant, although we are aware of people in the US developing the capability to do so. When it happens, we will offer it as an option.

We have found improvement opportunities on the RX3 that we have addressed. I teach reliability engineering at Cal Poly Pomona and part of the process with any new product is to find its weaknesses and continually improve them. I believe that's a normal part of any new product. I've owned quite a few motorcycles over the last few decades and I've submitted warranty claims on all of them. The Zongs are not immune to this sort of thing, but they are doing well. On that topic, the RZ3, RC3, and RX3 bikes have a two-year unlimited mileage warranty (first year parts and labor, second year parts only). We don't sell through dealers, which is another thing people bash us for (other than the people who have bought our bike, that is). The folks who own these bikes generally have pretty good things to say about us.

I'll be at the Horizons Unlimited get-together in northern California later next month to give a presentation about the ride across China (http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/events/california-2016). If any of you are able to swing by, please do so. I'll get you a ride on an RX3 and maybe even buy you a beer after the ride. Except for Kestrel. I'll buy him two.
 
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Nah you should go with this one it will be more truthful to what future owners can expect probably.

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So 1/15 BRAND new bikes has a counter sprocket nut spin off in the first 2000 miles? Yea thats probably the same ratio on DRZ's and Triumphs as well. Fuck it good enough eh?

Actually, there were two countershaft nuts backing off, in all of the motorcycles that we sold in 2015 and 2016. There was one in Colombia in the several thousand bikes they sold. And I think there was one in China (where they sold a lot of motorcycles).

That photo you show above was of a heat treating flaw in our optional centerstand spring, found in the first week we offered that accessory, fixed, and corrected for all owners. Thanks for posting it and giving me a chance to address it.
 
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Just trying to keep my nose clean here.
The book has a forward by Joe Gresh.
I like and respect that guy.
That's all I got.
You guys can continue with your bickering infomercial now.
 
Dmitry, I see you gots some KTM's, should we start posting the photos of broken frames/stems/triples?
 
Yep, please do. You'll notice that was a Chinese RX3, most likely one of the early ones before we started importing them. We haven't experienced that failure. We've been pretty public with the problems we've had, which you'll see on the CSC blog. The heat treating flaw we had was in accessory spring we developed and had manufactured here in the US.
 
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