Your thoughts on gun handling (poll) *a bit long winded...*

[Sharky]

Nemo has it. I have a HK double action auto and it takes PULL to fire it. If I have it in the house it is available, loaded, a round chambered and safety on. To fire it, safety goes off and pull the trigger hard. I mean hard, I do it with two fingers on the firing range ( and with same accuracy as a single action. )

Again, you have a weapon in the house... With kids it needs to be locked up. With adults, I keep it ready to fire. Frankly if someone breaks into the house when you are sleeping you will be lucky to find the loaded weapon and get it pointed, much less have to chamber a round.

I NEVER POINT a weapon at anyone regardless of the weapon status. Unloaded, no magazine, it NEVER is pointed at another person. Many people have been shot by unloaded weapons. If I come into someone's house and see a weapon, I will either leave or ask to verify it is not loaded. Your word is nor worth shit. People forget.

Anywant, in the house the weapon is always loaded and ready to fire. Safety on.

The HK VP70 is a weapon that people with weak hands actually can not fire. The trigger pull is significant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_&_Koch_VP70

If you need to pull the trigger with two fingers you're not going to be as accurate at a with a single action. What are you a 90y/o lady? Either that or your gun is a pile or broken.

Come over and try my massaged 41. Mag; Para 40; or good old 45 ACP. You'll never hate your DA pistol more.

Single action FTW!

 

[SpeedyCorky]

first I'd like to say thank you Charlie, for braving the sink again !

thanx, i guess hehehe

I suggest you pull the gun out of your fucking pants pocket and go buy a proper holster to carry it. I would also consider a shoulder holster + beer stained wife beater combo, as that will show neighbors and peters peeping in your window that you are not fucking around.

and u know.... girlie really thinks wifebeaters r sexy, so that idea has more than one positive ....


girlie is not strong enough to pull the slide back on the PM9, so it is useless to her unless it is "red" status.
i'm pretty convinced that if she had enough adreniline she'd have no problem pulling back the slide, but i'm 99% sure that she'd never have the balls to actually USE a gun, no matter what type of danger she was in. it is just not in her. maybe training and experience is the answer to that? time will tell, as i thinks we r going to the range next weekend



yea no joke, no shit; i need to get a holster. thanx for the linky.
"pistola pants"

 

[pacbr]

That's a very common misconception

ok come to my house when it is quite at night and I'll rack a round, you can hear it echo off the walls. You can tell me you want to stay and take my TV after that

 

[Eisernkreuz]

ok come to my house when it is quite at night and I'll rack a round, you can hear it echo off the walls. You can tell me you want to stay and take my TV after that

Keep telling yourself that The people who think shotgun sounds deter crime are the ones who usually think that you don't really have to aim a shotgun, just point it in the general direction of the perp

 

[R3DS!X]

i voted 2 but it should always be treated as 1

 

[Nemo Brinker]

girlie is not strong enough to pull the slide back on the PM9, so it is useless to her unless it is "red" status.
i'm pretty convinced that if she had enough adreniline she'd have no problem pulling back the slide, but i'm 99% sure that she'd never have the balls to actually USE a gun, no matter what type of danger she was in. it is just not in her. maybe training and experience is the answer to that? time will tell, as i thinks we r going to the range next weekend

Another vote for carrying red, then.
Srsly though, you can teach people with small/not-too-strong hands techniques to rack the slide. If she's interested, www.corneredcat.com, Kathy Jackson's site, is a great resource for female shooters, and has a photo tutorial on alternative slide-racking methods. I taught a friend of mine with small hands and injuries to her hands and wrists her way, and it was very effective.

If yr gonna have a gun in the house, everyone able-bodied in your household should know how to use it--or at least handle it safely!

 

[serazin]

Re; the poll..

Guns don't just go off at any time. It take something to make it happen.

That said, here is my personal bit of compulsive behavior.

I consider all guns loaded. I hear and read a lot about people getting shot with guns someone "thought" was unloaded.

The muzzle of a gun can never be allowed to point ant anything your are not willing to see destroyed.

I'm a .45 guy so my hand guns are usually cocked and locked when under my charge, when stored they are not loaded. The one I keep nearby while at home has a loaded magazine inserted but there is not a round up the spout.

I do not consider a .45 unloaded until the magazine is between two of my fingers on the grip hand, and the round in the chamber is lying in the palm of my slide hand. The action stays locked open until it is loaded again or the gun is locked away.

I used to have a double action 9mm auto loader, but the backwards safety always bothered me. Also, the hammer drop when the safety was engaged scared me too. I tried carrying it with the safety off and the hammer down but that too was spooky. People kept telling me that the hammer block made the gun impossible to fire unless the trigger was pulled but I was still scared. So one day I couldn't stand it anymore and I loaded up a casing with just the primer, put it in the chamber with the hammer down, clamped the pistol in a vise and hit the hammer with a two by four. It fired. I don't have double action auto loaders anymore. I'm sure there are many that will not fire in that case, but mine did. (yes, it broke the hammer block..)

 

[slowpoke]

Get a dog...

 

[954Rider]

I personally think 1911's are the end all be all of all handguns. .45acp cocked and locked, condition 1. It would take 3 actions to happen in proper sequence for there to ever be a accidental discharge. The safety would have to be clicked off, the grip safety would have to be squeezed, and then the trigger pulled.

 

[Marlowe]

but there is a problem with this 0 thru 4 condition list as some guns do not have the ability to be "cocked and locked" which a Kahr PM9 does NOT have. there is no external safety on the PM9, which is why i carry it "amber" instead of "red", as w/o a safety, red is WAY to dangerous to carry IMO, and carrying "green" is a joke.

Just carry it with the hammer down and a round chambered then.

I am actually going to argue that it is safer to carry a modern DA/SA or DAO pistol without an external safety. Here's why (and the reason I like my SIGs):

With an external safety, two scenarios are possible, neither of which I like:

- In a high stress situation, you have to remember to turn it off, which could get you killed.
- Too many people rely on an external safety as a crutch. I believe having one encourages bad firearm handling practices.

If, you always treat it as if it were loaded, and never violate Rule 3 by slipping your finger into the trigger guard, then you will never have a negligent discharge. Knowing that if you squeeze the trigger, the gun fires, PERIOD, encourages proper handling. It's also one less thing to forget should you be forced to defend yourself.

DA pull is still 8-11# on many pistols, which is hard to apply accidentally and with the use of a proper holster.

 

[Eisernkreuz]

I personally think 1911's are the end all be all of all handguns.

It is, in the same way a 1982 Ford LTD is the end all be all of all cars.

 

[pacbr]

Keep telling yourself that The people who think shotgun sounds deter crime are the ones who usually think that you don't really have to aim a shotgun, just point it in the general direction of the perp

oh your kidding right? from 10 feet away in a hallway you DO only have to point it in the general direction unless you shoot with slugs. It is not a .22 and you don't need a double tap or head shot.

You have got to be crazy to think that bad guys can not be deterred. No matter why the guy broke in to your house. He wants not to be caught and to get what he wants the easiest way possible. Getting shot is not good for either of those things.

Maybe watch too many movies and you think the guy is an assassin. I am guessing you are ready to have a cool shoot out including commando rolls and multiple reloads? (ok maybe too much, but I couldn't help it)arty

 

[Eisernkreuz]

Having deterred a home invasion with my SKS, attempted by a regular-looking guy who dropped everything and took off when he saw me with the rifle, you can rest assured I don't think ninjas with MP5s are going to be busting into my bedroom.

Just saying, don't count on the sound of anything to deter anyone. Maybe they won't hear it?

 

[Marlowe]

oh your kidding right? from 10 feet away in a hallway you DO only have to point it in the general direction unless you shoot with slugs. It is not a .22 and you don't need a double tap or head shot.

Unless you use slugs, really? You ever pattern a shotgun?

Take yours to the range, and you'll find out that the 9 .36 cal balls in a 00 buck shell, will group into a ragged 1.5-2" hole at any range you can shoot in the average house.

Run several different targets, one shot each, at the same range, then lay them all atop each other.

You absolutely DO have to aim a shotgun...unless you're using birdshot, which isn't going to do much.

 

[pacbr]

Unless you use slugs, really? You ever pattern a shotgun?

Take yours to the range, and you'll find out that the 9 .36 cal balls in a 00 buck shell, will group into a ragged 1.5-2" hole at any range you can shoot in the average house.


You absolutely DO have to aim a shotgun...unless you're using birdshot, which isn't going to do much.

ok you are totally right. I'm a idiot who was trying to make a point.

 

[fawndog]

I often shoot with a 2# trigger pull, my finger is my safety.

Who are you dating Charlie that can't rack a slide?

I'm loving Nemo right now, good shit in those post.

 

[fawndog]

10 feet?
25 yds sure, but there's not much spread at 10 feet.

 

[Jakemate]

yea i knew the gun grammar police would come get me on that one. i'm well aware of the difference, i wrote both because some people are not aware of this difference. but thanx anyway

If you want me to take the questioning regarding gun handling, use the correct nomenclature, (not grammar). Without the correct use of language and asking about gun handling, I am led to believe that you need to go take some classes, get some training, follow basic firearm safety.

I finally read your line of questioning and some of the other posts. I carry at my shop. I carry a Kahr .40 subcompact DAO. I carry ready to go. The safety is my finger. That is THE safety feature for firearms, IMO.

 

[SpeedyCorky]

If you want me to take the questioning regarding gun handling, use the correct nomenclature, (not grammar). Without the correct use of language and asking about gun handling, I am led to believe that you need to go take some classes, get some training, follow basic firearm safety.

I finally read your line of questioning and some of the other posts. I carry at my shop. I carry a Kahr .40 subcompact DAO. I carry ready to go. The safety is my finger. That is THE safety feature for firearms, IMO.

well since you cant seem to let this go, i guess i should explain myself fully. and before you get your panties in a ruffle, get ready, i'm going to somewhat contradict what i said earlier:

the whole color status paragraph in my 1st post was copied from an email from a friend who was in Iraq. HE is the one who refered to the mag as the aka clip. notice he did the whole A.K.A.... do you REALLY think speedycorky with my lazy online typing would go to the trouble of doing shift a, off shift period, shift k of shift, period, shift a, off shift period BS to write that? no. i wouldnt. it was a direct copy paste, and he used both terms so that non-gun people who got his email would know what he is talking about. i figured just leave it in there for the same reason, even knowing the gun nomenclature was less than perfect. i didnt use that word b/c i was not 100% sure how to spell it, and didnt want the BARF spelling police on me too... tho its good now to know that it is spelled like it sounds..

you sir, need to get over it. gun terminology relating to clip or mag, spelling and grammar on a online motorcycle message forum.


yes i need to get gun training; so does most everyone else who did the minimal lame-ass gun safety test u r required to do when u buy any gun. i fully 100% agree i could be better trained. however, i do not think my lack of gun training makes it any more or less dangerous for me to carry an "amber" status gun. thats recockulous. oops, i mean that's recockulous.

 

[pacbr]

10 feet?
25 yds sure, but there's not much spread at 10 feet.

what I meant was that you don't need a sight picture. As long as you don't aim at the floor or the sky you are likely to get a piece. sorry for the confusion