You mean no one with a limited knowledge of the history of Grand Prix racing.
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MOTOGP 2012 Round 1 : Doha, Qatar. 4/5-4/8 2012
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Lol yeah that's what happenedlaughing
They didn't? And didn't? Surely it wasn't at the point where they are now as far as the public outcry, but they weren't exactly shy last year either.
No. He's been blaming the bike since day one. I can't remember Nicky doing that, ever.
I have an honest question, what exact do you do when after 18 months the bike is no better, you believe that the factory isn't listening to you or doing what you ask, you play company guy for well over a year. You feel your crew chief isn't listened too, you aren't listed to, and the bike is lost?
Or, for all the praise y'all are heapin on Hayden, what exactly does he have to show for it? Dumped by Honda, stuck on a duck that hasn't done anything for him except get a paycheck, your prerequisite one podium a year?
Or, for all the praise y'all are heapin on Hayden, what exactly does he have to show for it? Dumped by Honda, stuck on a duck that hasn't done anything for him except get a paycheck, your prerequisite one podium a year?
And that's done what for Hayden except keep him on salary and midpacker? Is just existing in motogp what Nicky really wants? Cause that's all he's got for three seasons of keeping quiet and working hard
It got him treated like ass at Honda for a title run where they wouldn't listen to him on corner entry, it got him booted a year later, and it's gotten him three seasons of what should of been his most productive years languishing in 7-10th, with two podiums to show for it. Y'all say like Rossi just needs to be quiet and work, like nicky, as if that's gotten Nicky anything at ducati
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It's all Nicky is capable of, and he knows it. He can't hang with the aliens, so he stays with the hope of fighting for fifth and maybe getting a podium. Nicky is Nicky's harshest critic, and that's why I really like the guy. He's humble and realistic.
Rossi is playing the political game, which he's been playing a long time. He wants to make himself look good, and distance himself from the failure that is his career at Ducati.
His ego got him into this, and now it's trying to get him out.
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Even stoner, he kept it quiet, worked hard, what did he get? A factory who didn't listen to him. Worse results every year, and finally not welcome? There is some kind of disconnect going on at Ducati in regards to their riders...I mean even loris, they dumped him after one bad year in 2007, treated Marco terribly, etc etc
I don't believe that one bit. I think it's just Rossi complaining. If Ducati wasn't listening to him, they would not have gone through all the troubles of going from 11 to 11.1 to the 12 with aluminum frame to the Phoenix project. Historically, Ducati doesn't do these many bike iterations especially during the middle of the season. I've never seen a manufacturer cater to a rider this much in the history of GP racing. If this wasn't Rossi, Ducati would never do something like this. They gave him or at least they tried to give him what he wanted. His complaining is a slap in the face to the people who work their butts off last season and this year. It is well known that the people at Ducati only had 3 days off this holiday season because they worked hard for Rossi for this coming year. He just insulted all of them with him airing their dirty laundry for all the world to see.
The bike won a lot of races. So it's not total shit.
There are different ways to deal with issues like this. One is with class and behind closed doors. Rossi chose the opposite way.
Vale, who through his whole career said the rider is by far the most important part of the package, has obviously changed his opinion, whether he's conscious of that or not is another matter.
There are different ways to deal with issues like this. One is with class and behind closed doors. Rossi chose the opposite way.
Vale, who through his whole career said the rider is by far the most important part of the package, has obviously changed his opinion, whether he's conscious of that or not is another matter.
"Probably we are going worse than last year because we managed to be seventh back then... What can I say? I want to be frank. I can't ride this bike well, even in comparison with my fellow Ducati riders.
"I can't ride this bike, I can't make the difference, I can't even keep up with Hayden's pace, who I used to go quick against in comparison.
Btw he's not only saying its the bike? That's pretty solid self mentioning there.
"I can't ride this bike, I can't make the difference, I can't even keep up with Hayden's pace, who I used to go quick against in comparison.
Btw he's not only saying its the bike? That's pretty solid self mentioning there.
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I'm not sure that's really fair. Complaining at Honda or Ducati would not have gotten Hayden anything except maybe being shipped off to keep Biaggi company.
I think that what people are responding to is that Hayden has not only kept his mouth shut, he's kept a positive attitude rather than giving up like Biaggi and Melandri did. He has also been fairly honest and talked about the flaws in the Ducati without complaining.
I think what it comes down to is that the hillbilly consistently shows more grace than anyone else in the paddock. Rossi used to be the master at this but that doesn't appear to be the case in the current situation.
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Oh there's no doubt, Nicky is prob the best person out there. He's the guy you'd be ok with your sister dating
Stoner explained the problems to the factory, he always acknowledges that Prez and the engineers gave it everything they had, but they didn't have the money to give him what he wanted, when he wanted it. But he always says they eventually did give him what he wanted. It was just six months late.
You really think it would have got a guy rudely nicknamed "Moaner" anything by complaining about the bike?
That's why it makes no sense what Vale says. Prez knows he is dealing with one of the best development riders out there, who is clear and precise in what he feels and is apparently very capable of communicating it, he knows what will happen to himself and Ducati if Vale doesn't win and yet Vale claims Prez isn't making what he asked for? Either Prez is an incompetent fool, Vale is a liar, or he lacks patience.
Very true. If that's all he said, I'd be all up on his nuts, but sadly that's not all he said.
Or Burgess and Prez. The whole situation just doesn't make any sense.
Maybe Prez is just an engine man, not a chassis guy. They need to bring in whoever designed Checa's bike.
If we were taking a shower together, and I dropped the soap, I wouldn't worry about bending over and picking it up. That's how classy Nicky is.
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I think what Rossi said was justified.
Apart from stoner the bike hasn't done SHIT, satellite bike status.
To be a factory team and have multi race winners and two champions (ZOOG, 2008 & 2009) riding your bike with ZERO to show for it. There is clearly something wrong and it isn't the riders. To be the champion that Rossi is, I'm sure he expects any factory to be able to make a bike that is able to somewhat compete with the rest. When you're promised a bike that will be better than the last and your given one that is worse, what are you going to do?
Your going to call some people the fuck out!
Apart from stoner the bike hasn't done SHIT, satellite bike status.
To be a factory team and have multi race winners and two champions (ZOOG, 2008 & 2009) riding your bike with ZERO to show for it. There is clearly something wrong and it isn't the riders. To be the champion that Rossi is, I'm sure he expects any factory to be able to make a bike that is able to somewhat compete with the rest. When you're promised a bike that will be better than the last and your given one that is worse, what are you going to do?
Your going to call some people the fuck out!