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MOTOGP 2012 Round 1 : Doha, Qatar. 4/5-4/8 2012

and crashes

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So..what is the inside scoop on spies?

**edit..now that I saw.kevins post I think.KR Jr reminds me of spies.**
 
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im pretty sure kenny memes just became my weekend obsession. until then, heres my man broner...
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number_6 said:
I know this has been posted before, but I love it so much I need to post it again.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Apr/120413-1046.htm

Glorius clear minded commentary
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Absolutely. I like that he points out the technical aspects and Barros, who I knew nothing about the significant role he played.


In the full post race press conference after Qatar, which is available to all motogp subscribers, there was something rather worrisome, to me anyway. When Jorge talked about his level of effort through the whole race, he said he was pushing to the very edge the whole time. When Stoner talked about his effort, he said that even once the arm pump set in, and he was pulling a gap with it, he wasn't pushing hard at all, he also said that he didn't know he could be that smooth and that fast, that he learned something for the following races. This doesn't bode well for the rest of the season, he can pull a gap when the arm pump was setting in, going super smooth and with submaximal effort.

They were also asked about the tire wear, Jorge said the main problem is that it'll spin up more, but they won't necessarily lose that much time, Stoner said that the edge grip will go down, but the grip on the center of the tire actually gets better towards the end, and it doesn't effect him at all, Pedrosa basically agreed, no drop in performance, he actually set a personal best in the last few laps. So it sounds like Bstone has finally made the ultimate tire, super grip, quick heat up and lasts the whole race.

The physicality of the bikes was addressed compared to the 800cc, Stoner was the main target because of the arm pump. He said that while the force for braking was slightly increased towards the beginning of the race because they were stopping at faster speed with a full tank, when the fuel load lightened, it became easier to ride. While the bike was slightly more difficult during braking and acceleration, it was also easier to ride because the added weight and torque made the power less peaky, which means the bike moves a lot less than the 800s did. Lorenzo said that if he has to ride to this level during the whole season, pushing to the edge, it's going to be difficult, because at lap 16 his heart was really beating, even more than on the 800s. Pedrosa agreed with Stoner.
 
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kevin 714 said:
^^speaking of tires, the convo could all change with the intro of the #24 tire at jerez...
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I think it's a really good decision to give them a couple tires now, then they'll be able to adapt the bikes to them.



I wonder when the free testing that the teams are able to do will actually come into play. It seems like Honda will want to use it to eliminate chatter ASAP and obviously Ducati will need to. What's up with that?
 
jacksprat said:
I think it's a really good decision to give them a couple tires now, then they'll be able to adapt the bikes to them.



I wonder when the free testing that the teams are able to do will actually come into play. It seems like Honda will want to use it to eliminate chatter ASAP and obviously Ducati will need to. What's up with that?
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the way I read it, the current #21 tire(than both dani and casey prefer) is OUT. gone. finito. that the #24 tires will be the front from now on. not that they get to choose between them. the new spec fronts are being intorduced, anf the olds are donezo.


number_6 said:
this is probably bad cuz the commercial is probably really old, but I was watching Hockey the other night and had to laugh at a Bridgestone commercial bragging about how they were bringing their rubber technology to hockey pucks.
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wut brah?
 
^^^^Exactly.

kevin 714 said:
the way I read it, the current #21 tire(than both dani and casey prefer) is OUT. gone. finito. that the #24 tires will be the front from now on. not that they get to choose between them. the new spec fronts are being intorduced, anf the olds are donezo.
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Correct, but each rider is getting two 24s at every race until they change over completely at Silverstone. Which is why I said it's a good idea, because the Hondas and Duc will be able to adapt their bike to it gradually. They can spend a session on them, gain the data they need, then use the current spec tire.
 
dude the CEO of ducati is one understanding ass dude. vale just "blowing off some steam"?

These have been difficult days for Ducati and Valentino Rossi, in the aftermath of his harsh comments in Qatar. Gabriele Del Torchio, CEO of the Bologna based manufacturer, isn't discouraged by the situation, however, and he tried to downplay the whole affair in an interview with La Repubblica newspaper. "We continue to have faith in both Rossi and Preziosi," the Ducati boss said. "We knew the season would have some ups and downs, and in Qatar it was the latter. Valentino was just blowing off some steam. It was a moment of frustration, but we're only at the start of the season, and I'm sure he will turn it around."
There was one point on which the rider and his boss are in agreement: "Hayden scored a good result, but sixth place is certainly not our objective. We race to win," he emphasized. And to win, the bike will probably need more work: "The engineering work always takes time. At the moment they must concentrate on setup." When asked about 2013, Del Torchio preferred not to speculate: "Valentino isn't the only top rider whose contract will expire at the end of this year. There are still 17 races remaining, and we must wait before jumping to any conclusions."


Read more: http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/2...iducia-in-Rossi-e-Preziosi.html#ixzz1rzLn4t6V
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jacksprat said:
Correct, but each rider is getting two 24s at every race until they change over completely at Silverstone. Which is why I said it's a good idea, because the Hondas and Duc will be able to adapt their bike to it gradually. They can spend a session on them, gain the data they need, then use the current spec tire.
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ok I misread what you meant
 
number_6 said:
I don't think I could be that understanding if someone had just violently and loudly fucked my fancy Italian couch.

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cuz a hockey puck is hard. and much like canon ball, hockey puck is sometimes used as a disparaging term for overly hard tires, such as Daytona specials
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:laughing
 
jacksprat said:
For those with a motogp subscription, they have the full race from just the on board shots, no commentary. It's pretty sick. Gives you a whole different perspective.
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...fuckin rad. thanks for pointing this out...
 
kevin 714 said:
dude the CEO of ducati is one understanding ass dude. vale just "blowing off some steam"?

Valentino isn't the only top rider whose contract will expire at the end of this year. There are still 17 races remaining, and we must wait before jumping to any conclusions.
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He wasn't THAT understanding. That sentence sounds like a big fat, "well, if he doesn't get HIS sh!t together, we'll go elsewhere.
 
clutchslip said:
He wasn't THAT understanding. That sentence sounds like a big fat, "well, if he doesn't get HIS sh!t together, we'll go elsewhere.
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No, it sounds like "Where testing, so don't judge us" and "there are going to be some desperate riders out there willing to ride our bike".
 
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Originally Posted by kevin 714
"dude the CEO of ducati is one understanding ass dude. vale just "blowing off some steam"?"

Quote Del Torcchio:
"......Valentino isn't the only top rider whose contract will expire at the end of this year. There are still 17 races remaining, and we must wait before jumping to any conclusions....."


sez clutchslip,
"He wasn't THAT understanding. That sentence sounds like a big fat, "well, if he doesn't get HIS sh!t together, we'll go elsewhere."



apparently, both sides are capable to play this game in public


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I really do wonder - what will change in MotoGP after Ducati is sold?

the contract money owed Rossi & JB, et al[+ Hayden, for that matter] is a mere piffle in the scheme of a $$gazillion corporate transaction - 46 & 69 could be rideless before Jerez[!] if XYZ's non-enthusiast CEO - even CFO - contemplates,

"we're already officially out of SBK, & still winning - the Paginale's doing well enough in SuperStock - who needs these exotic MotoGP histronics & public embarrassments?"

30 months ago, H-D sold MV to the Castiglionis again [for as little as the proverbial buck], taking a $100M write-down as well - this manufacturing surrender and brand abandonment had a much bigger negative impact on H-D's financials & stock price, compared to Ducati's friendly takeover by some huge XYZ company.

in less than 3 yrs, H-D's bounced back, at least stock price-wise - again, this key business measure registers higher in the boardroom than barfers' enthusiasm about a marketing plan called MotoGP

even Hero India's buyout from their Honda partnership was accomplished for less than the alleged Ducati market price - Hero is huge & profitable

things change - in big business, things can change NOW -
so, what will change in MotoGP after Ducati is sold?
 
firstbuell said:
I really do wonder - what will change in MotoGP after Ducati is sold?

the contract money owed Rossi & JB, et al[+ Hayden, for that matter] is a mere piffle in the scheme of a $$gazillion corporate transaction - 46 & 69 could be rideless before Jerez[!] if XYZ's non-enthusiast CEO - even CFO - contemplates, .....

"we're already officially out of SBK, & still winning - the Paginale's doing well enough in SuperStock - who needs these exotic MotoGP histronics & public embarrassments?" ......

things change - in big business, things can change NOW -
so, what will change in MotoGP after Ducati is sold?
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All well and good. I will just look at it like a CEO that LOVES MotoGP and my Ducati company.

"I am paying TEN times, (maybe more) than to my other rider, for a guy who can't finish ahead of my SECOND rider. I had a number one rider who could win on my bike, and I paid him a hell-of-a-lot-less. Why am I blowing this dough on this "star", if I'm not going to get a payback? On top-of-that he is bad-rapping my product. This is not what racing public relations is about. Who needs this expensive nonsense? Not me nor my Ducati, at this time, nor any other."
 
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