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[kuksul08]

In the eyes of most riders in the marketplace looking for a highly versatile bike, including the capability for comfortable, capable long range touring, there would be no comparison between those two bikes.

BTW, my LC GS would kill my Hyper everywhere. There isn't a single thing my Hyper would do better than the GS.

I've ridden a variety of bikes (supermotos, sportbikes, cruisers, etc) and there is nothing that comes close to the hyper in the twisties. True supermotos are more nimble but have half the power. Sportbikes have more power, but less cornering ability. I really need to ride a GS!

 

[CurveSurfer]

I've ridden a variety of bikes (supermotos, sportbikes, cruisers, etc) and there is nothing that comes close to the hyper in the twisties. True supermotos are more nimble but have half the power. Sportbikes have more power, but less cornering ability. I really need to ride a GS!

Define "close."

I've found that on the street, among competent riders on different bikes (limited-clearance cruisers excepted), the fastest and the slowest simply aren't that far apart at the end of a long twisty road. And the choice of bike is the least important factor.

I loved my 950SM, like the Hyper it makes cornering feel effortless and the dynamic feedback was a thrill. But I'm not significantly slower (or faster) over a typical route of mixed roads on any of my other bikes, including the GS or Multistrada.

 

[Ant]

I've ridden a variety of bikes (supermotos, sportbikes, cruisers, etc) and there is nothing that comes close to the hyper in the twisties. True supermotos are more nimble but have half the power. Sportbikes have more power, but less cornering ability. I really need to ride a GS!

Just curious, how can a sportbike have less cornering ability in twisties? Aren't they derived from racing bikes that are designed for cornering as well as speed?

 

[Z3n]

Sportbikes are designed for high speed use, which isn't really compatible with most street riding.

 

[planegray]

Sportbikes are designed for high speed use, which isn't really compatible with most street riding.

you obviously haven't seen me ride the street..... I be killin it, yo





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[Z3n]

you obviously haven't seen me ride the street..... I be killin it, yo





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Have you taken on the honorary "OWNS9" plate yet?

 

[planegray]

Have you taken on the honorary "OWNS9" plate yet?

soon as I gets my GS, I'm going the the "owns Hwy24" plate


(pesky chp's HAVE been a problem though )

 

[ilikefood]

Just curious, how can a sportbike have less cornering ability in twisties? Aren't they derived from racing bikes that are designed for cornering as well as speed?

For one thing, they're less nimble, harder to turn than supermotos. They also have tiny suspension travel and stiff springs, so on bumpy twisty roads they'll bounce all over the place. And their gearing and engine characteristics make them gutless at low speeds. A supermoto will drive out of a 20 mph corner better than a sportbike will. At higher speeds and less tight corners, it's a different story of course...

 

[Ant]

Sportbikes are designed for high speed use, which isn't really compatible with most street riding.

So they're compatible on a twisty track but not a twisty road? Not trying to combative or anything but that doesn't make sense.

 

[bpw]

Define "close."

I've found that on the street, among competent riders on different bikes (limited-clearance cruisers excepted), the fastest and the slowest simply aren't that far apart at the end of a long twisty road. And the choice of bike is the least important factor.

I loved my 950SM, like the Hyper it makes cornering feel effortless and the dynamic feedback was a thrill. But I'm not significantly slower (or faster) over a typical route of mixed roads on any of my other bikes, including the GS or Multistrada.

Agreed, no matter what bike I am on I run out of sight-line and courage (stupidity) long before the bikes limits. I could move along as fast as I dared on my XR600R with Cheng-shin dirt tires.

 

[Z3n]

I do ~50mph indicated through the slowest corner at Thunderhill (T5). Faster turns are taken at 100mph+, so that's what the suspension/geometry is designed for.

Basically, what works at 50mph up a bumpy goat trail isn't the same as what works at 50mph on track, and the relative levels of lean, suspension loading, etc, are completely different for the track pace vs. street pace.

Also, if I can ride at street speed and be at 25% of the total capabilities of the bike vs. 95%, that's a much better place to be. There are many things that add to the safety margin.

 

[planegray]

So they're compatible on a twisty track but not a twisty road? Not trying to combative or anything but that doesn't make sense.

oh yeah.

If you haven't already done so, I'd highly recommend doing a track day !

I did a few on my r1100s, then got a cbr600 for the track... holy shit, operating a sport bike on the track is like se3xors !!

When out 'n about, the r1100s eats goat trails like nobodies business and sport bikers MAY be able to keep up, but they be workin' DAMN hard to do so !

 

[ilikefood]

So they're compatible on a twisty track but not a twisty road? Not trying to combative or anything but that doesn't make sense.

It does make sense. Totally different speeds, different road surface (bumpy vs. not), different margins of safety, different amounts of lean, etc., etc. Riding on the track is a totally different thing from riding on a public road.

 

[louemc]

So they're compatible on a twisty track but not a twisty road? Not trying to combative or anything but that doesn't make sense.

Power is used so dramatically different on the street..vs..the track,
there shouldn't be any comparison.

 

[louemc]

It does make sense. Totally different speeds, different road surface (bumpy vs. not), different margins of safety, different amounts of lean, etc., etc. Riding on the track is a totally different thing from riding on a public road.

 

[kuksul08]

Define "close."

I've found that on the street, among competent riders on different bikes (limited-clearance cruisers excepted), the fastest and the slowest simply aren't that far apart at the end of a long twisty road. And the choice of bike is the least important factor.

I loved my 950SM, like the Hyper it makes cornering feel effortless and the dynamic feedback was a thrill. But I'm not significantly slower (or faster) over a typical route of mixed roads on any of my other bikes, including the GS or Multistrada.

Oh yeah, it's not like we're talking huge speed differences in a street environment, but definitely differences in confidence and potential for more speed.

 

[Corb]

Sportbikes with handlebar conversions seem to be the best weapon for fast real roads riding since that is the setup has been winning the Dark Dog moto-tour basically every year so far. And that is the closest timed event I know of to the actual fast riding we all do.

http://youtu.be/nwzhqrYftxg?t=1m39s

 

[cleverusername]

Sportbikes with handlebar conversions seem to be the best weapon for fast real roads riding since that is the setup has been winning the Dark Dog moto-tour basically every year so far. And that is the closest timed event I know of to the actual fast riding we all do.

http://youtu.be/nwzhqrYftxg?t=1m39s

i don't disagree necessarily. but sumo for when the traffic goes both ways.

 

[Corb]

i don't disagree necessarily. but sumo for when the traffic goes both ways.

Whats the difference. I have many miles at speed on backroads on both sportbikes and tards and actually the taller the bike the wider it is when leaned over I found out.
I learned a long time ago to stay to the far right of the pavement on tight narrow roads with many blind corners [like Tunitias Creek or 236 for example] and as soon as I started riding my DRZ I noticed my "footprint" in the lane in corners was considerably wider compared to my R6&R1
Not a bid deal, you just adjust, but I wouldn't say supermotos have an advantage for when traffic goes both ways.

 

[cleverusername]

the advantage is sight lines. sumo erogs allow foot out cornering, which position the eyes up and further outside of the turn. given the same footprint in the turn, a sumo sees further through the turn, sees oncoming traffic a fraction sooner. and that translates to confidence.