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Bmw s1000xr

Corb said:
Sportbikes with handlebar conversions seem to be the best weapon for fast real roads riding since that is the setup has been winning the Dark Dog moto-tour basically every year so far. And that is the closest timed event I know of to the actual fast riding we all do.

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yes This "movement" is gaining traction in Europe.

Rather mysterious why it doesn't seem to catch on, here.

We see Flat Trackers, sit up, and do OMG management of their bikes.

We know the challenge of the public road, in surface conditions and involvement with other vehicles...

But...Nearly every Sport Bike rider, thinks clip-ons, are what is what is right,
for the public street.

A couple of years ago, Sport Rider magazine, even did an article on Street fighter-ing their R1.

Taking it to their canyon of choice, giving it a work-out, they were amazed at the
Increase in performance, and sharper handling.

They titled their article....The Ultimate Sport Bike...Build your own.

Couldn't see that it got any interest.
 
I know what you're saying Lou.

In the early 80's, I had my street RD350, rear sets, clip-ons, expansion chamber pipes...and a bone stock Seca 550.

I could take the Seca everywhere, I mean even fire roads and trails in the Peninsula foothills were ridden, very effectively I might add with my stock pipes making very little noise.

But the RD was cool. My RD race bike was great on the track, but sometimes, cool is good enough for the street. fwiw I did take the RD to the same places, but the chambers always seemed to get me in trouble.
 
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cleverusername said:
the advantage is sight lines. sumo erogs allow foot out cornering, which position the eyes up and further outside of the turn. given the same footprint in the turn, a sumo sees further through the turn, sees oncoming traffic a fraction sooner. and that translates to confidence.
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Seems to me like a subjective opinion rather than an actual fact.
Any bike can be ridden foot out in to corners if you want and I found no connection between where my foot is and where my eyes can see.
You can say that the upright taller bikes allow a better sight line than a lower bike that requires a hunched over position and I'd agree with you. But I found that to be an advantage more in commuting rather than fast riding in the mountains.
And between my R1 with handlebar conversion and my DRZ [or the taller SMC's that I rode] the difference is so minimal as to make no virtual difference to me.

If you prefer supermotos to sportbikes, perfectly understandable but I wouldn't claim it a rule.
 
KazMan said:
I know what you're saying Lou.

In the early 80's, I had my street RD350, rear sets, clip-ons, expansion chamber pipes...and a bone stock Seca 550.

I could take the Seca everywhere, I mean even fire roads and trails in the Peninsula foothills were ridden, very effectively I might add with my stock pipes making very little noise.

But the RD was cool. My RD race bike was great on the track, but sometimes, cool is good enough for the street. fwiw I did take the RD to the same places, but the chambers always seemed to get me in trouble.
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me, too - the exact same motos ['73 RD & '81 'Daytona-ized' Seca]

decades later, the Buell & Tuono "sit up & beg" ergos remain, the result of a choice
 
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Corb said:
Sportbikes with handlebar conversions seem to be the best weapon for fast real roads riding since that is the setup has been winning the Dark Dog moto-tour basically every year so far. And that is the closest timed event I know of to the actual fast riding we all do.
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I agree with you....

But add a longer-travel suspension, because public roads aren't billiard-ball smooth like tracks in EU and JPN where race-reps are designed to excel.

And lower the pegs a bit because we don't need as much lean angle on the street and we have to ride our bikes longer than racers who only turn 20-40 minute stints.

And add some luggage capacity because we might want to ride our bikes somewhere to spend the night.

...and we arrive at the Multistrada and S1000XR.

Offer 19" or 21" spoked wheels on the front for those who want to explore the thousands of miles of dirt roads in the US.

...and we arrive at the GS and KTMs.

Everyone happy.
 
CurveSurfer said:
I agree with you....

But add a longer-travel suspension, because public roads aren't billiard-ball smooth like tracks in EU and JPN where race-reps are designed to excel.

And lower the pegs a bit because we don't need as much lean angle on the street and we have to ride our bikes longer than racers who only turn 20-40 minute stints.

And add some luggage capacity because we might want to ride our bikes somewhere to spend the night.

...and we arrive at the Multistrada and S1000XR.

Offer 19" or 21" spoked wheels on the front for those who want to explore the thousands of miles of dirt roads in the US.

...and we arrive at the GS and KTMs.

Everyone happy.
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What you say only proves that is good to have variety of choice because we all want different things from our bikes.
We really live in the golden age of motorcycling I think.
If only we could all afford our dream garage of bikes though :)
 
Corb said:
Seems to me like a subjective opinion rather than an actual fact.
Any bike can be ridden foot out in to corners if you want and I found no connection between where my foot is and where my eyes can see.
You can say that the upright taller bikes allow a better sight line than a lower bike that requires a hunched over position and I'd agree with you. But I found that to be an advantage more in commuting rather than fast riding in the mountains.
And between my R1 with handlebar conversion and my DRZ [or the taller SMC's that I rode] the difference is so minimal as to make no virtual difference to me.

If you prefer supermotos to sportbikes, perfectly understandable but I wouldn't claim it a rule.
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.rveSurfer;877 4658]Define "close."

I've found that on the street, among competent riders on different bikes (limited-clearance cruisers excepted), the fastest and the slowest simply aren't that far apart at the end of a long twisty road. And the choice of bike is the least important factor.

I loved my 950SM, like the Hyper it makes cornering feel effortless and the dynamic feedback was a thrill. But I'm not significantly slower (or faster) over a typical route of mixed roads on any of my other bikes, including the GS or Multistrada.[/QUOTE]

I like mine too. On bumpy roads is where it really shows the differences in suspension types , long travel vs shorter travel. The KTM is 8.00 and 8.25 if i recall correctly. My Ducati S4 was 5.5 and 6.0 I think, Ohlins rear and Race Tech Showas in front. On a smooth road, the Ducati railed. On a bumpy road, the KTM is real hard to beat. Bumps that would move the Duc off line, or make you change lines, are just sucked up by the 950. I'm much more comfortable on a sit up n longer travel bike now, so much so, that I'm not so sure I want to go back to a standard travel, or sport bike suspension any more. The White Powers on the KTM are very well set up, from the Factory. I want a Superduke R, but I'm not sure if I want to get rid of this 950. Same with an S1000R.
 
CurveSurfer said:
I agree with you....

But add a longer-travel suspension, because public roads aren't billiard-ball smooth like tracks in EU and JPN where race-reps are designed to excel.

And lower the pegs a bit because we don't need as much lean angle on the street and we have to ride our bikes longer than racers who only turn 20-40 minute stints.

And add some luggage capacity because we might want to ride our bikes somewhere to spend the night.

...and we arrive at the Multistrada and S1000XR.

Offer 19" or 21" spoked wheels on the front for those who want to explore the thousands of miles of dirt roads in the US.

...and we arrive at the GS and KTMs.

Everyone happy.
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A Sport bike rider, using a RR bike on the public road that isn't maintained for motorcycles..
Can do more that put the handlebars (for street) on.

The rider can also have the suspension internals switched out, for internals that are designed for rough surfaces..
.And it also helps, if the rider looks at the surface (as well as far ahead, of course), And doesn't hit bad spots.

RaceTec does this conversion..They have a stellar history in off road racing.

I don't feel any need what-so-ever, for longer travel than what my ZX-10,
came with. And I ride some nasty rough, hard surfaced, back roads.
 
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louemc said:
A Sport bike rider, using a RR bike on the public road that isn't maintained for motorcycles..
Can do more that put the handlebars (for street) on.

The rider can also have the suspension internals switched out, for internals that are designed for rough surfaces..
.And it also helps, if the rider looks at the surface (as well as far ahead, of course), And doesn't hit bad spots.

RaceTec does this conversion..They have a stellar history in off road racing.

I don't feel any need what-so-ever, for longer travel than what my ZX-10,
came with. And I ride some nasty rough, hard surfaced, back roads.
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Lou, come and ride my 950 anytime you want, supreme wheel travel control, although it's down about 100 hp on your ZX, and doesn't have that top end rush that your bike has, I really think you'd enjoy it. You are welcome to come and ride it anytime.
 
iehawk said:
... which was created to go after the GS. :teeth



Are you sure the Multi's weight is not dry? BMW is usually the only manufacturer that quote wet weight.

Suspension travel: 5.9 inches front and 5.5 inches rear.
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Archimedes said:
This. The 2015 Multistrada is 511 wet, the XR is 502 wet.
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I just copied and pasted. Good call. 40 lbs would be a complete game changer.
 
I was waiting to see if the BMW could one up the multi. (Favorite street bike I have ever owned). It did not.

So 2015 on order. 2012 served me well. Many smiles with my miles. The tighter it got the more it was like a fat motard. Foot out turn it in and gas the MF. So damn fun.

Maybe next time BMW or ????
 
I'm so glad they finally updated the FZ1. It was already one of the best bikes on the market. Now even better!
 
If you look at the front of the S1000XR, it sure looks like an ant or some kind of bug.

Anyhoo, the radiator looks huge and exposed. Would recommend to you all to force BMW to pay for protection screen for it.
 
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LOVE my GS.

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