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Tesla: how long do you think they'll last as a company..?

jh2586 said:
If they built an economic all electric vehicle to compete with the Prius Plugin and Volt, something in the $25k-$35k range, then I can see them getting far. Also they need to make the range on those vehicles at least 300 miles per charge. If they did that, I can see them being up there especially with gas prices going up again.
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The newer Model S claims 300 miles, but it is a little questionable. There is a target for Tesla to get down to the mid market consumer grade price range, but they aren't at a luxury production level yet to afford that manufacturing cost.
 
kevin 714 said:
You don't really believe Amazon doesn't actually turn a profit, do you?
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:wtf Why would someone be inclined to do that? Amazon's been net income positive in 3 of their last 5 fiscal years and operating profit positive in all 5.
 
Tesla is going to survive, though I don't think it will ever be a high volume car company like any of the Big 3. Whether its valuation survives and/or whether it is acquired is an entirely different question.
 
kevin 714 said:
You don't really believe Amazon doesn't actually turn a profit, do you?
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Well their annual report shows that for the last 3 years they had 1 net profitable year but took all that and spent even more the following year. Bezos is investing and investing. Building and building. But you can do that and still have earnings. It's been 17 years now and the only way to earn money investing in them is to sell your stock. Walmart on the other hand, grew huge AND paid a dividend every year. I'm not old but I may not have another 15 years I can just let my money sit. We are not in the huge stock price ramp up increase now, that is for the early birds, normal investors want to see some results before they die. But the whole thought is that if you are not focused on profits in over a decade, that maybe you just don't know how to run a for profit company, just saying.
 
Archimedes said:
:wtf Why would someone be inclined to do that? Amazon's been net income positive in 3 of their last 5 fiscal years and operating profit positive in all 5.
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For the size of their revenue stream and their valuation (200B), AMZN's numbers are appalling. 178M on 89B in revenue in 2014, half of which becomes stock option compensation fodder for the execs. At work we sometimes laugh about how AAPL makes as much profit in 2 days, as AMZN does for the entire year.
 
russ69 said:
As soon as the feds stop pumping money into the venture.
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Pretty much this.

All this electric and renewables crap is a big fail....without govt subsidy it all dies. And good riddance. Crony Capitalism is all it is.:thumbdown
 
mrmarklin said:
Pretty much this.

All this electric and renewables crap is a big fail....without govt subsidy it all dies. And good riddance. Crony Capitalism is all it is.:thumbdown
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So, what's the plan when we run out of oil?

The most significant product coming out of Tesla isn't vehicles, it's technology and infrastructure for the next evolution of the automobile.

The vehicles are really just the PR for the company at the time being. At least that's how I see it.
 
mercurial said:
For the size of their revenue stream and their valuation (200B), AMZN's numbers are appalling. 178M on 89B in revenue in 2014, half of which becomes stock option compensation fodder for the execs. At work we sometimes laugh about how AAPL makes as much profit in 2 days, as AMZN does for the entire year.
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I'm going to be pretty pissed off if in two years APPL is trading at $200 and I missed out on a 50% gain.
Might be time to back up the truck in the next few days.
 
mrmarklin said:
Pretty much this.

All this electric and renewables crap is a big fail....without govt subsidy it all dies. And good riddance. Crony Capitalism is all it is.:thumbdown
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not this shit again? Faux news viewer perhaps?

:facepalm
 
TylerW said:
So, what's the plan when we run out of oil?

The most significant product coming out of Tesla isn't vehicles, it's technology and infrastructure for the next evolution of the automobile.

The vehicles are really just the PR for the company at the time being. At least that's how I see it.
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I'd be more enthusiastic if they actually were coming up with new tech. As far as I can see, they're not. Pretty and well designed cars, yes. Infrastructure? Don't see it. They work out of the Nummi plant, you know, the old style auto factory.
 
afm199 said:
I'd be more enthusiastic if they actually were coming up with new tech. As far as I can see, they're not. Pretty and well designed cars, yes. Infrastructure? Don't see it. They work out of the Nummi plant, you know, the old style auto factory.
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The tech isn't particularly revolutionary, but they're willing to share - all their patents are open, which is pretty remarkable seeing as they're largely seen as the leaders of development for electronic vehicles. As far as infrastructure, they're also the ones putting a massive effort behind deploying a big enough network of charging stations so that electric vehicles actually become a viable alternative to petrol.
 
mercurial said:
For the size of their revenue stream and their valuation (200B), AMZN's numbers are appalling. 178M on 89B in revenue in 2014, half of which becomes stock option compensation fodder for the execs. At work we sometimes laugh about how AAPL makes as much profit in 2 days, as AMZN does for the entire year.
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You're cherry picking their worst year in five and forgetting two things. First, Amazon is a retailer, a reseller, first and foremost, not a developer of IP on the scale of Apple. Two totally different business models. Second, Amazon has been investing and chasing scale, not short term profits. How that strategy will pay off remains to be seen, but the market sure seems to like it.
 
Killroy1999 said:
https://youtu.be/wvB01EibT2g?t=16m5s
Elon talks about Operating Margins and ~30% Gross Margin.
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Yes, he does, but the 'we're making profit on every car' only relates to direct production costs. It's like spending a billion dollars to develop a great new semiconductor chip and then saying your profitable the first time you sell one for more than it costs to produce it. It's nonsense.
 
Blankpage said:
I'm going to be pretty pissed off if in two years APPL is trading at $200 and I missed out on a 50% gain.
Might be time to back up the truck in the next few days.
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lol

appl was bankrupt in the late 90's and splitted many a times, just buy now its 1 of the most overinflated stocks of all times if you buy into that, its bound to split again.....
 
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