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Tesla: how long do you think they'll last as a company..?

FXCLM5 said:
lol

appl was bankrupt in the late 90's and splitted many a times, just buy now its 1 of the most overinflated stocks of all times if you buy into that, its bound to split again.....
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I know its history and I've held its stock several times over the past decade and currently holding some now.

"1 of the most over inflated stocks of all time" that's quite a statement after seeing the likes of Nortel Networks and Level 3 Communications.
If you believe this than you must expect that Apple stands to lose up to 99% of its value.

My bet it that it sees $200 per share long before its proven to be the most over inflated stock of all time.
 
TylerW said:
So, what's the plan when we run out of oil?

The most significant product coming out of Tesla isn't vehicles, it's technology and infrastructure for the next evolution of the automobile.

The vehicles are really just the PR for the company at the time being. At least that's how I see it.
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There's hundreds of years of known oil reserves out there. Not worth worrying about running out.
 
FXCLM5 said:
lol

appl was bankrupt in the late 90's and splitted many a times, just buy now its 1 of the most overinflated stocks of all times if you buy into that, its bound to split again.....
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Apple was bankrupt at one point in the late 90's? Hmmm....


most over-inflated stock of all time?

SURELY, YOU JEST!
#TexasAir
 
M&A until there's no more M&A to be had, then split off, GTM, M&A again.
It's all funny money anyway, feeding off funny money made from funny money fraudsters and charletons scamming scammers. The only loser is you, the buyer of the grand scheme.
 
Papi said:
M&A until there's no more M&A to be had, then split off, GTM, M&A again.
It's all funny money anyway, feeding off funny money made from funny money fraudsters and charletons scamming scammers. The only loser is you, the buyer of the grand scheme.
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"This is America, bitch, where the wins are outsized and privatized, and the losses absorbed by the Wisconsin Teachers’ Union Pension Fund."
Jesus Christ Silicon Valley
 
mrmarklin said:
There's hundreds of years of known oil reserves out there. Not worth worrying about running out.
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I don't know if you are hardcore trolling or simply confused with your "facts".

Do you understand net energy?

Do you think oil is still a viable energy source when it is $1000 a barrel due to extraction costs and processing of unconventional resources?

Google's first return of "remaining oil reserves" is USA today stating 53. that is MY lifetime (maybe) but certainly my children's.
That is a blink in the scheme of the massive transition that needs to happen in the world. You hope "technology and science" will save us with a breakthrough of some sort? That is exactly what Elon is trying to do.

I know you can provide links showing hundreds of years of oil. They are out there but some include gas, all also include "oil that is currently not economical" implying that when we get desperate enough due to our lack of planning we 'can' get it if we are willing to pay that high of a price. Remember that price does not mean just cash at the pump, it also includes environmental destruction and pollution.

Let's start solving the problem now. The rest of you can go stick your head in the (tar) sands and keep on Rollin Your Coal, bro because fuck the tree huggers.
 
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mrmarklin said:
There's hundreds of years of known oil reserves out there. Not worth worrying about running out.
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Oh boy, hundreds more years of shitty foreign policy, environmental ruin and military conflict because we are too scared, stupid or lazy to find a slightly different way to commute to work.
 
mrmarklin said:
There's hundreds of years of known oil reserves out there. Not worth worrying about running out.
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You'll die before this planet runs out of oil so yeah, you have nothing to worry about. :laughing

#FrackingForLifeAndFuckTheEnivornmentInTheAssAtTheSameTime
 
Oil that contains less energy than the energy required to extract it is as worthless as the propaganda that keeps fossil fuels as the state of the art.
 
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If we all ride around in/on electric cars/bikes, won't we still rely on some mineral oil to lubricate the bearings and such? Or would renewable vegetable/synthetic oil be okay?
 
augustiron said:
I don't know if you are hardcore trolling or simply confused with your "facts".

Do you understand net energy?

Do you think oil is still a viable energy source when it is $1000 a barrel due to extraction costs and processing of unconventional resources?

Google's first return of "remaining oil reserves" is USA today stating 53. that is MY lifetime (maybe) but certainly my children's.
That is a blink in the scheme of the massive transition that needs to happen in the world. You hope "technology and science" will save us with a breakthrough of some sort? That is exactly what Elon is trying to do.

I know you can provide links showing hundreds of years of oil. They are out there but some include gas, all also include "oil that is currently not economical" implying that when we get desperate enough due to our lack of planning we 'can' get it if we are willing to pay that high of a price. Remember that price does not mean just cash at the pump, it also includes environmental destruction and pollution.

Let's start solving the problem now. The rest of you can go stick your head in the (tar) sands and keep on Rollin Your Coal, bro because fuck the tree huggers.
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The need for gasoline is not a big deal. The need for plastics is a serious fucking world ender though. If we have to go back to making shit out of Bakelite from Coal Tar it will a very sad state of civilization
 
Killroy1999 said:
Tesla says that they make over 20% margin on each car now. The issue is GAAP vs Non-GAAP profit. Since Tesla does not have dealer groups it hurts their profit on paper, but not in real like. Its explained better in the share holders meeting. Tesla says that it will not make GAAP profit for 10 years.

It sounds like a non-issue to me, but people will continue to be hung up on it even when Tesla sells more and more cars and wins more awards.
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Tesla's sales are a rounding error for the big guys and you can't spend awards.

Actual car companies need to make an honest 35% on a real accounting basis (GAAP) just to re-coup tooling costs and generate the cash for the tooling for the next generation of vehicles.

Tesla is losing money on a GAAP basis and have a snowball's chance in hell of breaking even let alone financing other models. So they pretend that GAAP doesn't apply and pump their share price as hard as they can so that they can stay afloat with equity sold for "expansion capital".
 
Eldritch said:
I suspect they will be buying it for the battery technology and keep Tesla as a separate operation. :dunno
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They don't have any battery technology, they simply package Panasonic batteries.
 
Archimedes said:
Yes, he does, but the 'we're making profit on every car' only relates to direct production costs. It's like spending a billion dollars to develop a great new semiconductor chip and then saying your profitable the first time you sell one for more than it costs to produce it. It's nonsense.
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THIS :thumbup
 
Archimedes said:
Yes, he does, but the 'we're making profit on every car' only relates to direct production costs. It's like spending a billion dollars to develop a great new semiconductor chip and then saying your profitable the first time you sell one for more than it costs to produce it. It's nonsense.
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In that link I posted, Musk answered the question about Operating Income would be 10-15% if they stopped investing in new product.
 
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