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300cc for first motorcycle.

Will..... Situational awareness.
If you see something that is going to need some umph, drop some gears, and get those revs up.
That bike has some umph make it give it to you.
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Yep Wham, situational awareness is the term I was looking for. A little bit of that will serve one far better than any amount of HP, imo.
And yeah, actually learning the bike (and I'm still learning the bike), and how to extract the most performance out of it was key to me becoming comfortable on the freeway. It took me a little while to figure out that my bike is perfectly happy cruising along at 7,500 rpms. Compared to my car, it was like "OMG the engine's going to explode!!! :laughing:laughing:laughing
 
Hello, wanting to hear your options on getting a 2017 ninja 300cc (new) as a first bike. Never ridden a motorcycle before. yes i have my m1 license and before ive been getting around town with a fixed gear bike. Only thing that worries me that ive heard many people say is that your gana get bored of it and it cant even wheelie. so kinda skeptical. or getting a 2014 650cc ninja (used) with 4420 miles on it. thanks for your time reading this! :D

Get a used R3, personally I prefer it more than the Ninja 300 and Honda CBR300r. I've seen some for $3500. Save yourself the prep and freight fees of most new bikes. After riding for a couple of years you want to sell, they won't depreciate much. If you do get bored take the little R3 to the track and learn how to really ride.
 
Get a used R3, personally I prefer it more than the Ninja 300 and Honda CBR300r. I've seen some for $3500. Save yourself the prep and freight fees of most new bikes. After riding for a couple of years you want to sell, they won't depreciate much. If you do get bored take the little R3 to the track and learn how to really ride.

Having seen none up close, the I like the R3 better too. :cool I am like THIIIIS close to buying one. Warning: daily drives a Miata...so...if you "need" a Hemi Challenger to get through your life, my opinion may not be yours.

Smaller bikes let you learn fundamentals better. I liked my EX250. Honestly...shoulda never sold it and just keep railing it around.
 
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This thread is a total train wreck.

The bigger the bike you get the slower you will learn to become a competent rider. To develop riding skills you will learn faster, and better on a smaller lighter bike. This idea is strongly supported by science, and how the human animal learns.

For a "learner's" bike 340lbs really isn't very light.

Many of the people on teh Barf can't get beyond the bike they have* as the best bike for everyone, and if you suggest a bike for any purpose they get all bent out of shape that it's not their bike. Makes it nearly impossible to have an intelligent exchange of information around here.

What Russ said about small bikes is very true. Most people that get a smaller bike and sell it in a short period of time to "upgrade" to a faster bigger bike probably didn't actually learn how to "ride" their smaller bike.

If you haven't yet taken CMSP take that before buying a bike. If you have taken it, and you are seriously considering a 650 then you should probably take some more classes. A 650 is a pretty horrible choice for a first bike. That doesn't mean it's a horrible bike, just a horrible choice for said purpose.

New riders should not venture on to the freeway until they have the prerequisite skill set--no matter how long it takes for them to develop them. The reason being is that most mistakes on the freeway lead to catastrophic results. It's really difficult to learn from your mistakes when you are dead.

In most countries where a larger percentage of the population rides than ours people start out on 50cc bikes. They usually are compelled to ride the smaller bikes for a year or so before they may advance (with testing) to a larger bike. In some of these countries they have a schooling system that actually teaches you how to ride at a much higher level than our system does--thus preparing the riders to a larger degree. Even then they are compelled to ride bikes in the smaller classes until they gain some experience. Even though you are not compelled to do so here in the States it would be very wise to follow these well laid out examples of how to develop as a rider.

Marc-Marquez-on-his-first-bike-s.jpg


This guy started out on this bike, and is currently the world champion.​

*My "daily" rider is an 899, but I wouldn't suggest that as a bike for most people on teh Barf--it's way too much bike for them. :twofinger
 
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Train wreck indeed!

I rode a Ninja 250 for about a year, and then moved on to an SV650. The transition was somewhat awkward, and took some time to get used to. (I became a slower rider for a while.)

I'll disagree that the SV makes a good first bike; it's a stellar engine with fantastic low end torque, which in turn makes it NOT a great bike for a new rider.

As Tora hints at, LIGHT bikes will be much less intimidating to a new rider, especially at lower speeds. I've been teaching a shorter rider lately who still struggled with her CBR250 due to height and weight. She bought an XR100 last fall, and we rode over the winter probably 10-15 times. She hopped back on the CBR this spring, and was immediately riding way, way better than she ever had before. She learned basic clutch control and bike handling much faster on a smaller bike, and those skills transferred over when she went back to ride more on the street.

The 300 is a fine bike. A 250 is also a fine bike. While they aren't 2 stroke light, that extra 50-60 lbs you don't have to carry makes a huge difference to a new rider.

And not capable? Shit. The only people who say a 250 isn't capable are younger riders without any experience. Gary J knew it was a perfectly capable bike. I know it's a perfectly capable bike, and I have *another* 250 after having ridden a dozen or so other bikes in the last decade plus years since I started riding.

In fact, I'll be taking that same old generation Ninja 250 on a four week road trip staring in July of this summer. Not capable my ass - I've ridden almost 20,000 miles on that model bike. They're great beginner bikes, and great for experienced riders alike.
 
The difference is one will actually be fun to ride and the other will hold up traffic on 101.

Not so great for getting out of the way of Tesla bros.

That mostly happens to riders that hog the #1 lane in the name of "safety", and/or to riders not minding their 6. The rider that plans its route is very rarely in that situation.

Regarding weight, my CBR954 weighs perfectly 400.00 lbs at the Moto Guild scale. Fully fueled, man purse, shit in the tail compartment, etc. The other day somebody put a Duke 390 on the same scale, and it came to 380 lbs.

The new 300s are fun, light, agile, and much faster than people realise.
 
Fercrissakes if you've never ridden before and are worried about wheelies just go ahead and check yourself into the hospital now. The 300 is an outstanding bike. Does it have limitations? Yes, as do all bikes. I say look for used and ride it for a year. Heck
there's a 2009 Ninja 250 on here for $2100
 
As a relative newb, I'd recommend 1) low seat (at or under 32" if you're of average height), 2) low weight (at or under 400 lbs), 3) reliable (whether new or used), 4) cheap. I'd be less focused on engine size/power/torque.

1) and 2) will help with confidence as you build skills. 3) will keep you on the road while you figure out whether you want to wrench it. +1 for bribing an expert to look over a used bike with you. Or just buy a new bike if you can afford it. That said, 4) because, like others have said, you're in for less as you figure out whether you even want to keep riding and, if you do, what kind of bike would fit you best as you figure it out.

I started on a new FZ-07 and sold it after a year. I actually thought it was a great beginner's bike but ultimately couldn't tolerate the stock suspension and didn't want to pour more money into it. I don't regret it, but if I were to do it all over again I'd get a $2-3k used thing so that I'd be in for less when I got a different or second bike a year later. . .
 
The bigger the bike you get the slower you will learn to become a competent rider. To develop riding skills you will learn faster, and better on a smaller lighter bike. This idea is strongly supported by science, and how the human animal learns.

My experience, working for 5 years as an on-track instructor for one of the largest track-day providers in California, suggests that the opposite is true. I think that you, and everyone else who trots out this ridiculous adage, are confusing racing with street riding. If you want to be fast on the racetrack, then it can help to start on a smaller-displacement bike. Just keep in mind that when racers say "small displacement" they usually mean 125cc GP bikes which have modern frames, slick tires, great suspension and great brakes. Every n00b I've seen riding a Ninja 250 at a trackday has ended up struggling to make progress. And who can blame them? The bike has a crappy frame, crappy tires, crappy brakes, and a crappy engine. I've been riding for 20 years and wouldn't want to trust that bike, so I can't imagine how a newbie would ever get comfortable...

I've ridden the Ninja 250 on road and track and I've also ridden the Honda Rebel 250 on the street. If you're certain you will never need to ride on the freeway, then they're mediocre choices for a beginner bike. If you'll ever ride on the freeway (and, let's face it, most of us don't have the patience to ride everywhere on city streets) then these bikes are awful. On the Bay Area's fast moving freeways, these bikes just don't have enough top-end acceleration. Just look at the 1/4-mile times for these bikes: the Rebel does the quarter in 17.86 seconds with a trap speed of 68mph and the Ninja takes 15.58 seconds with a trap speed of 82mph. This is the sort of performance than makes every freeway on-ramp into a sphincter-tightening experience! Which is why buying something like a Ninja 650, SV650 or FZ-07 makes much more sense: these bikes have enough horsepower to take you anywhere in the Bay Area, yet not so much power that they're likely to overwhelm a new rider. They'll also offer better tire options, improved suspension, and better brakes which all serve to improve rider confidence.

BTW, I'd love to hear a list of riding skills that are easier to learn on a Ninja 250 than they are on a Ninja 650...

New riders should not venture on to the freeway until they have the prerequisite skill set--no matter how long it takes for them to develop them. The reason being is that most mistakes on the freeway lead to catastrophic results. It's really difficult to learn from your mistakes when you are dead.

You realize that freeways are far safer than city streets, right? Everyone is going the same direction, you almost never have to deal with driveways or cross traffic, everyone is going about the same speed, etc. In my experience, you're far more likely to have problems on city streets. Given the number of people I see running red lights or turning left directly into the path of motorcyclists, I'd much rather ride on the freeway than most city streets. Of course deserted mountain roads are my favorite place to ride... but getting to most of them involves freeway riding.

In most countries where a larger percentage of the population rides than ours people start out on 50cc bikes.

And are those people riding their 50cc scooters on a fast-moving freeways filled with aggressive assholes who routinely drive at 20+mph faster that the posted speed limit? Or are they riding in crowded urban environments where everyone else is also on a 50cc scooter?
 
I don't get why people constantly trash on small displacement bikes. Multiple people here seem to think that these bikes can't keep up on the freeway, when I have had no issue with the acceleration on a 250. Sure you don't get up to highway speed in the blink of an eye, but you don't need to. It handles highway speeds fine, any 250-300cc bike will hold 90mph no problem (maybe not the cbr250r thumper, but it gets real close I'm sure). Either way, it's still quicker than 98% of cars on the road.

I took my 2002 Ninja 250 down to LA with no issues on I5. I was probably one of the faster vehicles the entire time, plus I got ridiculous mileage (like 65-75mpg on that trip). If you weigh over 200lbs, maybe a small displacement bike isn't for you but even then, you'll learn a hell of a lot more on a small bike that you don't have to worry about the throttle input as much, contrary to what some people seem to be saying here.

In all, buy a 300, a 250, a 125. Doesn't really matter but I can guarantee if you're "bored" on a 250/300, you haven't learned how to ride yet. Also, passing larger bikes in every corner is the most satisfying feeling out there.
 
bike size aside...

I'm really glad I started on a bike with ABS. It let me test limits (wittingly or not) without testing my gear.

just something else to consider.
 
My main ride for years was a Ninja 650. My other ride was a Ninja 250. Both were amazing motos.

The 650 was heavier, but 70 hp made up the difference. The 250 was sharp (especially after upgrading to a braided steel front brake line).

I preferred the 650 for two-up, but the 250 was perfectly capable as well. For splitting the 250 was a dream.
 
Nope. Wife has a Ninja 300 its a ton of fun. In fact I'll probably steal it tomorrow for a ride (sorry Multistrada)

Yeah, you'll probably get bored of it. 30 horsepower on a 400 lb bike is anemic. For a first bike you want something that you can sell for what you paid, and that you won't have to file a claim on when you dump it.

If you're hopeless with a wrench then that's a hard sell. If you're handy, shop used and be prepared to go through the bike before you start riding it in earnest. Budget $500 to get everything up to snuff.

Tires
Chain and sprockets
Oil change
Coolant flush
Brake fluid flush
Brake pads
Valve adjustment
Spark plugs
Air filter
 
bike size aside...

I'm really glad I started on a bike with ABS. It let me test limits (wittingly or not) without testing my gear.

just something else to consider.

Very good point. I don't have the budget for bikes that have ABS, but I feel like if it's a viable option for OP it's a good investment. Risk management is a constant, and having at least one aspect relatively covered for a new rider can allow for concentration on other aspects of riding.

*regardless of ABS or not, proper quick-stops should be practiced regularly in a controlled environment, along with low speed maneuvers. Parking lot seshes have become one of my favorite things because you really hone in on skills thay are used at any speed.


**(I swear to bog or god or whatever if someone starts saying something about countersteering not working at low speeds I'm gonna challenge them to fisticuffs, it works at virtually any speed faster than 0, just try it)
 
All said there's never a reason to get a new bike for your first bike really. We got a lightly used 300 for 2/3 the price of a new one. With ABS. :D
 
All said there's never a reason to get a new bike for your first bike really. We got a lightly used 300 for 2/3 the price of a new one. With ABS. :D
I don't agree that "there's never a reason."

Buying new pretty much ensures that you're not getting a ride that's been beat on or neglected. The peace of mind is definitely worth something.

Ms. was on a budget, so she bought used motos. I spent a fair bit of time troubleshooting and wrenching them. They were both good buys, but a little old, a little hard-used. (She's an amazing rider but a disaster as a mechanic.)

When Mrs. was a new rider we discussed drops and scuffs. She preferred that they all be marks that *she* put on her ride, so she bought a new moto.

To each their own.
 
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