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another BP thread. Are we doomed?

I am in Texas right now, about three hours from Lake Charles, LA. The people are saying there are hundreds ill in hospitals from the benzene, most are clean-up workers. There were a few deaths but only reported on a local level by newspapers. No one wants to admit the sickness is a result of benzene exposure. A lot of the workers are from Beaumont.

Human-sized tarballs washed up in Galveston, the pictures have been taken down and replaced with a few nickel-sized tarball pictures. I don't hear anything about evacuation plans in the media either, but I know for a fact that there will be a significant exodus of people from the Texas coastline, it's why I'm here.
 
Kinda like the media blackouts where the don't let people into burning buildings?

For fucks sake, are people really bitching because the gov is limiting access to toxic areas? Gues what people would bitch about if they didn't :loser
 
gogounited said:
I am in Texas right now, about three hours from Lake Charles, LA. The people are saying there are hundreds ill in hospitals from the benzene, most are clean-up workers. There were a few deaths but only reported on a local level by newspapers. No one wants to admit the sickness is a result of benzene exposure. A lot of the workers are from Beaumont.

Human-sized tarballs washed up in Galveston, the pictures have been taken down and replaced with a few nickel-sized tarball pictures. I don't hear anything about evacuation plans in the media either, but I know for a fact that there will be a significant exodus of people from the Texas coastline, it's why I'm here.
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funny ya mention this...

read a few weeks ago about people evacuating the area only to have commercials of tourism to visit ....saw the pictures of tar balls washing up on the beaches only to show people at the beach having a good time...:wtf
 
And of course we should expect people to proactively admit to blame.
 
mlm said:
Kinda like the media blackouts where the don't let people into burning buildings?

For fucks sake, are people really bitching because the gov is limiting access to toxic areas? Gues what people would bitch about if they didn't :loser
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Um. Sure. They're doing it for public safety. OK.

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mlm said:
And of course we should expect people to proactively admit to blame.
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You spoke of the government limiting access to potentially dangerous areas. The local state governments have no problem leaving beaches open for tourism. However, if you come to film, or take pictures, the Coastguard threatens you with arrest.

What they should be proactively admitting to is that all of the gulf coastal waters and beaches have high levels of toxicity. Instead we've got governors promoting tourism and then hiding the effects the toxic water and fumes are having on people.

But I digress, people should just expect and accept deception as the norm, right? That's the world we all want to live in, right? Who gives a fuck about accountability and the truth, this is America where the almighty dollar trumps all.
 
Not sure where you're getting the stories of threats for taking pictures...agree that's wrong.

Local would be expected to downplay things as it's money their communities will lose.

It's not that I accept deception...I just expect it under certain circumstances and think it's naïve NOT to.
 
Surely there can be no government cover ups under Obama's administration!! What is this heresy?!
 
mlm said:
Not sure where you're getting the stories of threats for taking pictures...agree that's wrong.

Local would be expected to downplay things as it's money their communities will lose.

It's not that I accept deception...I just expect it under certain circumstances and think it's naïve NOT to.
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It is indeed naive not to expect some form of deception in the environment in which we are living in, to this I will agree. But accepting the deception is only a step away from the expectation thereof. Too many expect and then accept, which is precisely why it continues to be the normal mode of operation these days.

You can fool some people sometimes, but you can't fool all the people all of the time.

I don't wish to live in such a world where money is more valuable than the lives of innocent, albeit ignorant, people. My grandmother once told me that you will never change what you continue to tolerate, as it becomes the status quo, it becomes acceptable.

Forgive me, but I'm what you might call a shit-starter, shit-stirrer, or poo-flinger when it comes to tolerating these sorts of lies. And so while I may respect your opinion and person, I have very little consideration for those purporting that people are powerless to change the status-quo, or that they will do so by accepting and tolerating that which they wish to change.
 
Its all hitting them texas and southern republicans, why should you care.

That being said, 20 years from now i bet you $50 american dollars, and 5 pesos, that there will be no sign of the spill on the gulf coast beaches.
 
Perhaps we just disagree on what we believe is feasible to change. Expecting people to voluntarily act against their self interests is something I'd say isn't feasible. And while I can think of many things that could have and should have happened, I'm more interested in what we can do NOW. Most of the talk on this topic seems concentrated on blamestorming...something I'm confident the lawers will handle
 
Oceansides said:
Its all hitting them texas and southern republicans, why should you care.

That being said, 20 years from now i bet you $50 american dollars, and 5 pesos, that there will be no sign of the spill on the gulf coast beaches.
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I am a Texan. My family comes from the Gulf coast, we have properties in Florida Keys and off Corpus Christi.

I don't wish for the suffering of Americans regardless of their political affiliation. And 50 dollars may be worth 5 pesos twenty years from now, even five years from now, considering.

So, 20 years after a spill miniscule in size as compared to this one, the areas that the Exxon Valdez polluted show no signs of the oil spill?
 
gogounited said:
I am a Texan. My family comes from the Gulf coast, we have properties in Florida Keys and off Corpus Christi.

I don't wish for the suffering of Americans regardless of their political affiliation. And 50 dollars may be worth 5 pesos twenty years from now, even five years from now, considering.

So, 20 years after a spill miniscule in size as compared to this one, the areas that the Exxon Valdez polluted show no signs of the oil spill?
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Depends how you measure it. I'd say this would be a better comparison than the Valdez spill.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ixtoc_I_oil_spill#Long-term_effects

20 years could easily see a commercial recovery, but some wildlife may take years longer if ever to recover. But then again, what impact does the mere presence of a large human population have on wildlife.
 
Exxon Valdez spilled in a area VERY different than the gulf coast. Its what 80 days now? since the spill happened?

Alaskan coast has very little tidal range and rarely sees large waves. Even there, theres no surface evidence of the spill, but oil can be found under the surface of the sands, about 3 meters down.
 
mlm said:
Depends how you measure it. I'd say this would be a better comparison than the Valdez spill.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ixtoc_I_oil_spill#Long-term_effects

20 years could easily see a commercial recovery, but some wildlife may take years longer if ever to recover. But then again, what impact does the mere presence of a large human population have on wildlife.
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We are already dealing with large human population on the coast, so that's a mute point.

Nothing we have ever witnessed can be accurately compared to the enormity of this spill.
 
gogounited said:
We are already dealing with large human population on the coast, so that's a mute point.

Nothing we have ever witnessed can be accurately compared to the enormity of this spill.
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woodstock? :laughing
 
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