Apache Gunship Footage

[RRR70]

Enki, what race were you talking about?

Thank you for contributing nothing new to the dialogue. I hope that your reading skills improve soon!

 

[afm199]

Pulleeze, you are parsing semantics.
"AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE AGAINST IRAQ RESOLUTION OF 2002"

Maybe we should have sent the girl scouts since it wasn't a "war"

Apparently you don't understand that the US has not been at war since WWII. I am sorry your education is incomplete. "Use of Force" is something else entirely.

Iraq was and is the largest fraud in history perpetrated on the citizens of the US. It has cost a trillion dollars, much of which went into the pockets of a few hundred defense contractors, it has destroyed the lives of tens of thousands of young service people, and seen the killing of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, many women and children. All this was done in the name of non existent WMD's.

 

[asthmodeus]

You know what this means? The few Americans who actually read are less likely to read it after being recommended by Hugo.

lolz- good point.

i'm no philosophy expert, but i would more recommend howard bloom's 'lucifer principle' as being more appropriate for this thread...he convincingly likens the world to a schoolyard playground and at very least, readers will get a thorough explanation of what a 'meme' is, before it became a household word.

and yes geniuses, i know that dawkins is the OG meme hipster, so a preemptive

 

[dmaxAl]

Apparently you don't understand that the US has not been a war since WWII. I am sorry your education is incomplete.

I am truly humbled by your superior intellect. The fact that the word "war" is not included in a congressional authorization comes down to politics, nothing more, nothing less. Unlike yourself, my education continues and will not be bogged down with some political dogma.

 

[kevin 714]

Idiots cannot form their own opinions so they piggy back on someone else's opinion thrust on them.



You know what this means? The few Americans who actually read are less likely to read it after being recommended by Hugo.

P.S. Feanor you really need to get on with the program, dude. This was already posted and heavily debated on BARF. Looks like people are going to re-argue about it again

yeah but not enki lol or elmer gantry either

 

[afm199]

I am truly humbled by your superior intellect. The fact that the word "war" is not included in a congressional authorization comes down to politics, nothing more, nothing less. Unlike yourself, my education continues and will not be bogged down with some political dogma.

Yes, I am sure you understand the semantics much better than I, and cater to no political dogma.

 

[Sharky]

yeah but not enki lol or elmer gantry either

I miss old Elmer...He's like a super OG Hippie

 

[Blankpage]

I have nothing but tremendous respect for these guys

Guys on the ground defending their country against an invasion force shooting them from a 1/2 mile away out of harms way.

You have to admit it takes balls to to go up against an advanced military machine that has control of your own government.

It's not uncommon to cheer for the underdog, I see your point.

 

[Arminius]

Guys on the ground defending their country against an invasion force shooting them from a 1/2 mile away out of harms way.

You have to admit it takes balls to to go up against an advanced military machine that has control of your own government.

It's not uncommon to cheer for the underdog, I see your point.

I'm sure you're always cheering against the US.

 

[dmaxAl]

Yes, I am sure you understand the semantics much better than I, and cater to no political dogma.

Of course not, I have my point of view, you have yours.

But for you to claim that the lives lost since WWII were not due to a "war" action is simply ridiculous.

Yes, we have had many "undeclared" wars, that does not diminish their significance. I will leave you with this:

Art I, Sec VIII
The Congress shall have Power.....
.... To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal...

 

[kevin 714]

Apparently you don't understand that the US has not been at war since WWII. I am sorry your education is incomplete. "Use of Force" is something else entirely.

Iraq was and is the largest fraud in history perpetrated on the citizens of the US. It has cost a trillion dollars, much of which went into the pockets of a few hundred defense contractors, it has destroyed the lives of tens of thousands of young service people, and seen the killing of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, many women and children. All this was done in the name of non existent WMD's.

I'm not sur ei would say largest, but your point is right on.

Its amazing whatamericans were so easilyl duped into to supporting

 

[Blankpage]

I'm sure you're always cheering against the US.

You are not sure of anything about me but fyi I'm on the same page as the majority of Americans. Those feeling the US has no business being in Iraq.

I try to see the world through the eyes of others and not just how it affects me.

 

[Arminius]

You are not sure of anything about me but fyi I'm on the same page as the majority of Americans. Those feeling the US has no business being in Iraq.

I try to see the world through the eyes of others and not just how it affects me.

We had no business rebuilding that shit hole and trying to help them form a democratically elected government. They should have been left to their tribal culture and oppressive rulers. Same goes for Afghanistan.

 

[Poxy]

Wow, flashback to Barf 2005.

 

[afm199]

Of course not, I have my point of view, you have yours.

But for you to claim that the lives lost since WWII were not due to a "war" action is simply ridiculous.

Yes, we have had many "undeclared" wars, that does not diminish their significance. I will leave you with this:

Art I, Sec VIII
The Congress shall have Power.....
.... To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal...

Yep. Now show me a "Declaration of WAR" since WWII. Congress has declared war five times since 1776. The last was WWII.

You are claiming the lives were lost due to war, not me. I don't have to show you anything. But chew on this: "Authorization of Force" is quite different from "Declaration of War." Sorry you don't get that.

 

[Blankpage]

We had no business rebuilding that shit hole and trying to help them form a democratically elected government. They should have been left to their tribal culture and oppressive rulers. Same goes for Afghanistan.

I'm not really convinced a democratically elected government was ever the goal with this one. Whatever the goal it cost the lives of thousands on both sides. Pretty sure "the deciders" were advised beforehand of what the cost would be and were willing to sacrifice those lives and more and for what?

Wow, flashback to Barf 2005.

Welcome to 2012 & 2014 & 2020

How long before this is water under the bridge?

 

[RRR70]

How long before this is water under the bridge?

Ask your President.

 

[Yo!Joe!!!]

Wow. This is the kind of commie bullshit I've missed prior to my join date of 2009..? Good LORD..!

 

[Feanor]

Idiots cannot form their own opinions so they piggy back on someone else's opinion thrust on them.



You know what this means? The few Americans who actually read are less likely to read it after being recommended by Hugo.

P.S. Feanor you really need to get on with the program, dude. This was already posted and heavily debated on BARF. Looks like people are going to re-argue about it again

Yeah, I know, I totally lost the bubble on this one... I think I stumbled across the footage while searching youtube for Contour motorcycle footage. Weird what kind of things pop up in searches, and what things don't!

Seems like the embers were still pretty hot from the previous debate though. A lot of lines of thought left with a significant void of satisfaction...

I don't have the clarity of thought to really absorb anything from watching gun camera footage except the rudimentary technology involved. I understand some of the reasoning about why we're there, and what we're trying to accomplish, but on the other side, I watch people get blown apart by gunfire and I can't seem to bring myself to feel good about it.

It really doesn't feel like the answer no matter what these people have done to "us" It feels like every 30mm round that impacts creates 5 more "terrorists" until the overriding concern doesn't become "stopping" it, but continued ammunition production.

I consider myself a patriot, but when I was watching the Obama motorcade driving by my parents house, I noticed that the house across the street was flying that thin vertical red white and blue pendant flag with 2 stars on it... I haven't seen that flag on his house in decades, I remember they used to always fly it on July 4th and Veteran's Day, and my Dad told me it was because there were two sons who used to live there that were both killed in Vietnam...

I was curious if they were flying that flag in pride, or if there was another more pressing reason it was being displayed for the President to see?

It's often a simple thing to send yourself off to war, or not, to feel emboldened by patriotic fervor, or dissent over the idea of the tragic loss of life... Good men (and women) definitely need to do something to keep the world safe and peaceful... But though your young heart might glow with thoughts of heroic loyalty, would it be the same if you were watching your children go off to war?

I think that the basic qualifications for a United States President is that they be a citizen, born in the US or naturalized herein, and have Sons or Daughters in active military service. I wonder how often "police actions" or "efforts to protect beleaguered countries from oppressors" would be declared then?

 

[Yo!Joe!!!]

Wars have rules too. Have u heard of the Genea Convevtion Einstein?

Terrorists, armed insurgents and non uniformed enemy combatants do not fall under the protection of the Geneva Convetion..!