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afm199 said:
Yep. Now show me a "Declaration of WAR" since WWII. Congress has declared war five times since 1776. The last was WWII.

You are claiming the lives were lost due to war, not me. I don't have to show you anything. But chew on this: "Authorization of Force" is quite different from "Declaration of War." Sorry you don't get that.
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No, it wasn't war, it was just harsh words and maybe spiking the other guys coffee. And stop saying sorry, makes you sound like some kind of apologist dickhead.
 
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dmaxAl said:
No, it wasn't war, it was just harsh words and maybe spiking the other guys coffee. And stop saying sorry, makes you sound like some kind of apologist dickhead.
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meh

you can call it whatever you want. Unless congress passed a declaration of war, it's something else. You can call that semantics if you want.
 
Yo!Joe!!! said:
Fuck dude. You trampled my previous post..! :laughing
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The point, simply, is that the constitution gave congress the right and duty to declare war, and for a long time, that was how it was done. Then along came the UN, "police actions" and eventually " Presidential Action."

The original constitutional intent was to divide war power between the President and Congress, so that neither could drag the US into a long costly battle without consideration and discussion. That was a good idea. However the current interpretation allows the President to implement and continue a ten year long ( really twenty) war ( there, I said it) without congressional vote. It also allows congress to abdicate their constitutional duty and go along for the ride, shamefully. They can just say "I was against it but it's his fault."

Once upon a time "war" was serious business. Now we have military " advisors" in two dozen countries and pour arms and aid into dozens more. We went from a nation that was involved only in serious war to a nation that is arguably the most war like on the face of the earth. And boy is it expensive. Now, I'd feel better about it if I actually believed half of the shit that comes out of Washington, but they are professional lying assholes and always have been. Two people pay for this, the taxpayer, and the grunt getting his ass shot off to implement some fucking policy that will change 180 degrees in three months.
 
I like to live dangerously..! :cool
 
enki said:
You guys don't get it. There is a plethora of talk here which centers around the acceptability of killing Arabs or Muslims that would not be acceptable involving another race or religion. I hope that ya'll are proud.
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I reckon you don't get it. History isn't sentimental. When the flag waving and holy book thumping is all done, it's all just about them wanting what we have and us wanting to keep it, and some vice versa. That's been going on for ever and no end in sight. When cultures are just this incompatible, the right number of people have to die before the issue gets resolved. Morality and justice and shit like that is an unaffordable luxury in war
 
RRR70 said:
Enki, what race were you talking about?

Thank you for contributing nothing new to the dialogue. I hope that your reading skills improve soon!
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Race is a classification system used to categorize humans into large and distinct populations or groups by heritable phenotypic characteristics, geographic ancestry, physical appearance, ethnicity, and social status.

Arabs, Persians, or just Middle Easterners god damn it.
 
afm199 said:
The point, simply, is that the constitution gave congress the right and duty to declare war, and for a long time, that was how it was done. Then along came the UN, "police actions" and eventually " Presidential Action."

The original constitutional intent was to divide war power between the President and Congress, so that neither could drag the US into a long costly battle without consideration and discussion. That was a good idea. However the current interpretation allows the President to implement and continue a ten year long ( really twenty) war ( there, I said it) without congressional vote. It also allows congress to abdicate their constitutional duty and go along for the ride, shamefully. They can just say "I was against it but it's his fault."

Once upon a time "war" was serious business. Now we have military " advisors" in two dozen countries and pour arms and aid into dozens more. We went from a nation that was involved only in serious war to a nation that is arguably the most war like on the face of the earth. And boy is it expensive. Now, I'd feel better about it if I actually believed half of the shit that comes out of Washington, but they are professional lying assholes and always have been. Two people pay for this, the taxpayer, and the grunt getting his ass shot off to implement some fucking policy that will change 180 degrees in three months.
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I actually agree, how about that.
 
Well, if it makes the barf military tribunal happy. I'll be taking a Nonlethal weapons training course all week and the next, where we get to shoot 12-gauge rubber bullets, 40mm sponge rounds and crowd dispersal cartridges. We're also going to learn how to use LED strobe light incapacitators, CS gas and flash-bang grenades. So you all can kiss now and give each other one big group hug. Carry on..! :twofinger
 
Yo!Joe!!! said:
Well, if it makes the barf military tribunal happy. I'll be taking a Nonlethal weapons training course all week and the next, where we get to shoot 12-gauge rubber bullets, 40mm sponge rounds and crowd dispersal cartridges. We're also going to learn how to use LED strobe light incapacitators, CS gas and flash-bang grenades. So you all can kiss now and give each other one big group hug. Carry on..! :twofinger
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One big bag of fail, I want my military to be out there killing mercilessly, leave that less than lethal shite for our cops.
 
dmaxAl said:
One big bag of fail, I want my military to be out there killing mercilessly, leave that less than lethal shite for our cops.
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Please tell my boss that. As my instructor just said today, "It's just another tool at your disposal." :nchantr
 
Yo!Joe!!! said:
Please tell my boss that. As my instructor just said today, "It's just another tool at your disposal." :nchantr
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It's probably scenario training for dealing with urban riots in America. :thumbup
 
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