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Isn't that what I said? That's what shock is.
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Best Shotgun for Home Defense?
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Isn't that what I said? That's what shock is.
gixxerjoeca
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James
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Since you people can't keep on topic, let's continue to muddy the waters. 
http://thefiringline.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-221531.html
Check out the third post....
Back on topic: pick the most comfortable, name brand(parts availability), reasonably priced pump shotgun. Attach light, side saddle, and go shoot 400-500 round through it in the forest. Then, get your wife to shoot 500-1000 rounds through it. Clean, lubricate, and store in an easy accessed, concealed location that makes sense to your home defense action plan. If you want to try out a Maverick, pm me and you can borrow mine.
James
http://thefiringline.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-221531.html
Check out the third post....
Back on topic: pick the most comfortable, name brand(parts availability), reasonably priced pump shotgun. Attach light, side saddle, and go shoot 400-500 round through it in the forest. Then, get your wife to shoot 500-1000 rounds through it. Clean, lubricate, and store in an easy accessed, concealed location that makes sense to your home defense action plan. If you want to try out a Maverick, pm me and you can borrow mine.
James
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Joebar4000
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It's more about the intimidation factor.
Pump action garners some respect.
It made an escaped mental patient run for his life, and he was the other side of a door, so, yes.
Having tried to hit moving targets with a pistol, and my experience in martial arts contests, I don't think it can be overstated enough that training and becoming natural with a weapon is more important than what the weapon is - however - a weapon that is intimidating, where accuracy is less important, and has huge stopping power with only 1 shot, makes me think a 12-gauge is on my shopping list to add to the earthquake/home-invasion emergency kit.
An awful lot of dick-swinging going on in here, it's like fucking Lilliput *sigh*
gixxerjoeca
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It made an escaped mental patient run for his life, and he was the other side of a door, so, yes.
Having tried to hit moving targets with a pistol, and my experience in martial arts contests, I don't think it can be overstated enough that training and becoming natural with a weapon is more important than what the weapon is - however - a weapon that is intimidating, where accuracy is less important, and has huge stopping power with only 1 shot, makes me think a 12-gauge is on my shopping list to add to the earthquake/home-invasion emergency kit.
An awful lot of dick-swinging going on in here, it's like fucking Lilliput *sigh*
Very true about natural with a weapon, i am decent with a pistol but ive been a bird hunter all my life so im deadly with a scattergun, its second nature hitting a target with a shotgun for me.
RRR70
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FMJ doesn't do shit. It goes in and out without causing damage. Unless you lucky enough to hit major vessel, spine or brain. JHPs are designed to stay in the body, expand and to cause hydrostatic shock. So, even if you don't hit any vital areas, sharp edges of expanded bullet will cause major tissue damage, blood loss and hydrostatic shock will affect target.
Major problem is that people using wrong ammo for SD. When ammo manufacturers do R&D on defense ammo they usually use barrels of 5" lengths and longer. Most pistols that people use average 4" or less. Velocity won't be the same. If JHP bullet doesn't have enough velocity it will act as FMJ, go in and out without expansion. More so at close distance. so, that's why I think that why using shotgun increases your chances of hitting something vital.
Now, if you look at the average pistol, it has about 7-8" of sight radius. Your front sight slightly off, and you missed your target. To get a decent sight picture and to reliably hit vital area you need to extend you'd hands. Or have a laser on your handgun.
Shotgun have very long sight radius, they are easier to aim. You still have to aim it, but it is easier.
Now, about clearing your house and long gun vs. handgun to do so. Of course handgun is much more handy to do that. But unless you need to get to your kids or your wife in another part of the house, it is generally recommended to hole up and to have cops on the phone. Otherwise if may be presented like you went looking for trouble.
Major problem is that people using wrong ammo for SD. When ammo manufacturers do R&D on defense ammo they usually use barrels of 5" lengths and longer. Most pistols that people use average 4" or less. Velocity won't be the same. If JHP bullet doesn't have enough velocity it will act as FMJ, go in and out without expansion. More so at close distance. so, that's why I think that why using shotgun increases your chances of hitting something vital.
Now, if you look at the average pistol, it has about 7-8" of sight radius. Your front sight slightly off, and you missed your target. To get a decent sight picture and to reliably hit vital area you need to extend you'd hands. Or have a laser on your handgun.
Shotgun have very long sight radius, they are easier to aim. You still have to aim it, but it is easier.
Now, about clearing your house and long gun vs. handgun to do so. Of course handgun is much more handy to do that. But unless you need to get to your kids or your wife in another part of the house, it is generally recommended to hole up and to have cops on the phone. Otherwise if may be presented like you went looking for trouble.
Archimedes
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Funny thing about this whole discussion is that, in the 20 years I've lived here in the Bay Area, I don't think I've heard or read about a single incident where a local homeowner used a gun to defend their home. Happened plenty of times when I lived in Texas, but I can't recall a single incident in the Bay Area. I still own a gun though...
RRR70
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Bay Area media is not gun friendly.
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Well, now you have! OK, so, she didn't pull the trigger, but it was definitely instrumental in her defence.
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True, but we APPRECIATE that he provides such a great service to barf. I love me my roman.
jt2
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Fair point, in that it is an ultra-rare thing, but I do recall a story from a few years ago where a homeowner shot up some people trying to pull a home-invasion. Danville, I think.
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Homeowner shot hoodlum, whose mom pressed charges, that were dropped.
We just don't talk up mundane shit like texans do
James
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repost!
Eldritch
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I can. There have been a couple Home Invasions that were met with defensive fire in the last few years. One of them was in Fremont if I remember right. The Home owner was killed in the firefight, but his wife and daughter survived.
Archimedes
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Sorry, I wasn't counting Oakmand, which is basically a war zone. I'm talking about the burbs, basically those parts of the Bay Area that don't have a murder a week. I never read about it and I don't buy it that the media keeps it quiet. This area is so anti gun, they jump on every situation involving one.
I own a gun but I do agree with Bobcat Goldthwait when he said 'You're more likely to kill a family member over a meatloaf argument than ever successfully protect yourself with a gun'
ohio
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When you say "used" do you mean "fired?" Because I know a few people who have been in their homes during a break in and drawn their guns but didn't shoot for a variety of reasons. That counts as coming in handy to me.
I also know a guy who was knifed by a crackhead in his own apartment in SF when he tried to stop a break in. He did not own a gun.
Archimedes
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I'm sure they're are a few, but they're so incredibly rare. And I'm not counting the 'drug dealer #1 busts into drug dealer #2s crib and DD#2 shoots DD#1'. I don't consider that relevant data for this type of discussion.
BTW, I do agree with the whole 'better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it' argument, and that's why I own one.
Eldritch
is insensitive
Oh certainly they're rare, violent crime in general is rare and particularly in this day and age when violent crime is at an all time low in America.