Who leaves the 30 on there for home defense?
Drop it to an 18" barrel.
Big reliability edge over a semi-auto, too. Can leave a pump action rusting slowly in a closet for years and get it to cycle.
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Best Shotgun for Home Defense?
- Thread starter Gabe
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Who leaves the 30 on there for home defense?
Drop it to an 18" barrel.
Big reliability edge over a semi-auto, too. Can leave a pump action rusting slowly in a closet for years and get it to cycle.
Ok, still 10" longer...and that's just the barrel. Shoulder it up?
My guns have been sitting unfired since I arrived in CA 12 years ago and don't have a spec of rust on them. Srsly? You're trying to throw in with the T-1 argument too?
RRR70
Attack Helicopter
Ok, still 10" longer...and that's just the barrel. Shoulder it up?
My guns have been sitting unfired since I arrived in CA 12 years ago and don't have a spec of rust on them. Srsly? You're trying to throw in with the T-1 argument too?
So you haven't fired your guns in 12 years? I hope you will not use them for HD.
Diezel
كافر extraordinaire
No kidding. Might as well pack up the guns and buy some baseball bats.
The WORST thing someone can do, aside from NOT know how to use said weapon. Is to NOT practice use of said weapons. So that response with said weapon is natural.
Thanks for the advice. Attack the person, not the argument much?
RRR70
Attack Helicopter
Wasn't an advice. I was just hopping for the sake of your neighbors.
Again, attack the person and not the argument.
Do you have anything to add to the actual argument at hand, or are you going to continue to attack me instead?
Shit, if you want, I will outshoot you on your gun of choice. This is, after all, the internet, and I will gladly make that statement...with only a small amount of bullshit factor, cause I know I can. I've cycled more rounds before I was 12 than you've shot your entire life.
Ant
Pink Freud
This.
Training and education is crucial to anyone that has a firearm for home defense.
And want to add again, know your surroundings and what your weapon is capable of. A missed shot can kill a neighbor.
RRR70
Attack Helicopter
RRR70
Attack Helicopter
BTW, I think I've added enough to the argument, with facts and data. Unlike you, pulling ideas out of somewhere.
Ant
Pink Freud
I have 1000.00 on roman for this one. someone tell traq i am pretty sure he still has me on ignore
HEY TRAQ SPDRR SAYS ROMAN IS THE MAN.
You're welcome
Sorry, but what facts and data did you provide that proves your point?
First, what was your point? How does "5-8" at 10 yards" prove your point? Presumably you are advocating shotguns are an effective means of home defense? Yes or no?
Secondly you are claiming the shot spread is an effective pattern that outweighs the unwieldy nature of a long gun vs a hand gun. Yes or no?
Like I said, you're throwing in with T-1. Obviously a good bet at face value.
Diezel
كافر extraordinaire
I may sound like a complete nutcase... But I have (with the blinds closed - oh lord where that comment can go)... Navigated my house in low light, with both a pistol, and an AR-15.
I'm comfortable navigating the house by feel (using my elbows on the walls basically). So that I have both some form of concealment and reference points (notice no use of "cover" since a wall CAN be shot through). A pistol also makes less of a chance for someone to grab at me in a close quarter situation. Now I use the term "reference points" fully knowing that IN the event something would happen. I know that adrenaline will be taking a HUGE response in how I act and think. So I'm again planing that I will have not only tunnel vision but a clouded thought process.
I myself am more comfortable with an AR. But I know the ballistics of it could mean life and death to a neighbor. So I DO have frangible rounds for the pistol and that IS my HD choice. However, I shoot better with the AR. But I practice more with the pistol now.
Again, I might sound like a nutcase. But at least I'm prepared in the event I DO need to do something.
RRR70
Attack Helicopter
Sorry, but what facts and data did you provide that proves your point?
First, what was your point? How does "5-8" at 10 yards" prove your point? Presumably you are advocating shotguns are an effective means of home defense? Yes or no?
Secondly you are claiming the shot spread is an effective pattern that outweighs the unwieldy nature of a long gun vs a hand gun. Yes or no?
Like I said, you're throwing in with T-1. Obviously a good bet at face value.
Okey-dokey
I asked straight forward questions there...yes or no. You're not interested in answering them, so the facts are that you're throwing in with the T-1. Cheers, mate!
Tharkûn
Freeway Moderator
While a handgun is certainly much smaller than an 18in shotgun (or AR), you still basically 'need' to be fully extended to have good accuracy.
Obviously I don't have any measurements, but its got to be pretty darn close to a shouldered long gun.
Obviously I don't have any measurements, but its got to be pretty darn close to a shouldered long gun.
Ant
Pink Freud
Just being on barf makes you a nutcase by default
Otherwise you sound well educated. One thing you left out that's very important: you also know when NOT to shoot which a lot of folks tend to not even think about.
Diezel
كافر extraordinaire
Good point. At least I'm surrounded by good company then. I've already told the family. If you hear odd noises that sound like someone who shouldn't be in the house. DO NOT go exploring. And indeed, knowing when NOT to shoot is a damn important item to know. Personally I'd rather loose my voice in a yelling match. Then to pull a trigger and take someones life. However, I DO have the "warrior mentality". If it's my life or theirs, fuck them. I'm seeing tomorrow's sunrise.Just being on barf makes you a nutcase by default
Otherwise you sound well educated. One thing you left out that's very important: you also know when NOT to shoot which a lot of folks tend to not even think about.
No you really don't. This has actually been proven not to be true IF you run a laser sight. One of the major thing's I've debated with a couple of people on is Compressed Ready stances, and Laser Sights. IF you can brace well, you can accurately place a shot. Granted follow up shots SHOULD be at full extension for maximum accuracy. But a compressed ready shot can be made with use of a proper helping tool.
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