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Brother crashed on Pinehurst

PhoS said:
Noobs dont belong on pinehurst
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Sticking to my contrarian guns, I'll disagree. There's nothing magical about Pinehurst. It's a public road and most of it has a centerline. At appropriate speeds, anyone who is capable of riding on the road should be able to ride Pinehurst.

OP, when did your brother complete the MSF?
 
If you really care about the safety and well being your brother I would recommend he checks out the MSF courses. He's clearly lacking some skills or understanding with his eye, hand, throttle, brake, steering coordination department.

Refusing to wear proper riding gear is another story. Maybe a visit to the road rash intensive care unit at your local hospital will wake him up.

http://www.msf-usa.org/

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It looks like the classic: "Oh shit, I think I'm going too fast", so rather than leaning harder, he drifted off the road or stood it up, onto the gravel, and down he went.

(WHich skid is his, the straight or the curved? IF its the straight, he stood it up, if its the curve, he drifted wide).

This is also why I don't like to LEAD a new rider: FOLLOW a new rider instead. They are far less likely to try to keep up if there is nobody up ahead.
 
rider needs change his attitude or he's going to end up in the hospital or morgue


all the f-ing gear all the time.
 
Dude, have your brother visit this thread and really think about the responses that he's getting. Many of those responding here are experienced riders. He needs to pay attention to the advice here or he may not make it to 19.

If it were me, I'd do what I could to get him off of a bike until he's much more mature. It sounds like he simply does not grasp the serious consequences of crashing at speed. Unfortunately, this is normal for teenagers. Neuroscience shows that the prefrontal cortex is not fully online until a person reaches 23 years of age. That's the area of the brain that deals with executive decision making. In short, your brother is not yet capable of making responsible decisions for himself regarding safe riding behavior.

Maybe you can either scare him into compliance by having him visit the ride2die site, but I thought that was offline now. More likely, you'll be able to socialize him into safer behavior. Try taking him to the 1Rider booth every weekend. Hang out there. Let him get to know a lot of older and safer riders. Give him positive role models to look up to.

I hope that some of this helps. Your brother is putting himself into a dangerous situation. I hope that he's able to learn how to be safe before it's too late.

EDIT - also have him read Proficient Motorcycle and Twist of the Wrist 2.
 
Much good advice above.

There are times when having a firm "my way or the highway" talk with someone is not only called for, it's mandatory.

You love your brother, so recognize his immaturity and treat him accordingly - do what you need to do to get his attention. That will give him time to grow old and mature.

My $$ is on him not paying attention 'cause this bike riding stuff was so "easy" and getting surprised by the turn.

Good luck, he's worth whatever you have to do.
 
flying_hun said:
Sticking to my contrarian guns, I'll disagree. There's nothing magical about Pinehurst. It's a public road and most of it has a centerline. At appropriate speeds, anyone who is capable of riding on the road should be able to ride Pinehurst.

OP, when did your brother complete the MSF?
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Well , its a good place to either make it or break it for a new rider. Heavily banked corners , debris , 1 laned areas , aggressive cagers , shady damp spots , blind corners, not to mention its a shitload of fun so it encourages goofing off. (atleast for me :ride)

I personally wouldn't take a new rider there.
 
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jraice said:
;)...

If I were one of the faster guys on the street I'd consider rocking a mohawk! I think if you have the skills to back it up, why not have a little flare to your gear?

I am sure its like a pull me over sign though for the cops!
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mohawks are the gheyest evar.:thumbdown
 
I can guess why your brother crashed. His successful navigation of the harder sections of the road boosted him with confidence, which lead him to become over confident. He then proceeded to drop his guard too much and either took his eyes of the road to check out the scenery or the bike or something or just let his brain drift to other thoughts. It takes very little time of not looking or not thinking about where you going to run off the road, even at a slow pace.

He either realizes that that's what he did and is too embarrassed to admit it or he's simply completely clueless. In either case a lot more training and maturing is in order for him if he is to continue to ride. Steering him toward MSF and maybe introducing him to good role model riders is a positive step. If he'll see that he's the only one that's under dressed for the ride, maybe he'll start gearing up if for no other reason than to fit in.
 
When taking newbies on roads for the first time, it may be prudent to follow them rather than hope they can keep up with you.
 
Inattention, lack of skill, and I'll bet he learned his lesson about gearing up. Make sure he reads this thread.

'Glad he wasn't hurt too bad.
 
One thing for sure he will be thinking about this crash for the next few weeks in the shower if he messed up his hands good

Do not ask how I know

I used gloves anytime I am throwing a leg over the bike
 
Your brother is probably headed for one of the following two outcomes:

1) MSF completion

2) Darwin Award

I really hope it's option 1.
 
ST Guy said:
Inattention, lack of skill, and I'll bet he learned his lesson about gearing up. Make sure he reads this thread. 'Glad he wasn't hurt too bad.
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Listen to what everyone's saying rookie. Wear the gear; smarten up/mature up, unless you like the ICU. Sorry to be blunt, but I think he needs it. Sounds like he doesn't like listening to anyone. If he were MY brother, I'd kick his ass; then I could say "at least I tried." :x

As mentioned, looks like too far inside on/near the painted line. Then fixated on the berm? Locked up the rear, & found the gravel. That turn is tighter than it looks, & you got to start outside if speed warrants, or your gonna go wide mid-turn to exit stage right.

FWIW IMHO

ebd
 
Your brother should not be riding. Does he still live with your parents? Have them take the bike away.

You can't stop someone who is self-sufficient from grinding themselves into oblivion, but you can stop a dependent.
 
Your brother is a newb to a sport where newbs and pros die for mistakes.

Grow up and get cautious or you will get hurt bad. This aint the movies or video games.
 
From now on, just take him *$'s.
 
Hey,

I don't get this... Your brother has 500+ miles under his belt and for some reason the pictures of the crash include a CBR. Is this the bike that he crashed or is this an artist's take on what could have happened to a 250cc Ninja if it had been a CBR? Could you elaborate please?

Somebody said this before and I fully agree: Not everybody should start riding at a young age. Myself I went through the following stages:

Ages 1-4: Bikes are fun! Thanks' dad for taking me for a ride in a side car (with my mom).

Ages 5-15: I am definitely going to get a bike. This is so freaking cool, you know you can beat a Vette with a used 600cc bike?

Ages 16-24: Okay, I have no responsibility but enough knowledge that a motorcycle will lead me to a morgue.

Ages 25+: Thank you sweet breakfast for giving me brains. I don't need to be in a hurry any more and riding is what I want to enjoy. Thank you for the license too.

Perhaps it is because I don't want to disappoint my mom or my wife with bad news. Perhaps it is due to the fact that I've finally developed a part of the brain that can evaluate risk. Perhaps it is just life... But somehow I became aware of the risks associated with high speed, reckless driving and other shit that I would not even consider when I was a teen.
 
mcarb said:
When taking newbies on roads for the first time, it may be prudent to follow them rather than hope they can keep up with you.
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Perhaps. Then again the newbie may try to impress the more experienced rider and ride faster than he should or may feel like he's holding you back and ride faster than he otherwise would. My preference would be for an experienced rider to start out in front and set a calm pace while checking the mirrors often and then take turns leading.
 
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