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Brother crashed on Pinehurst

Hopefully that bike is un-rideable.

Not to beat the obvious to death but...

your brother will either be killed outright or end up as a quadraplegic if he follows his current path.


His chances are less than average.
 
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A wise man stan once posted

"the blind leading the blind"
 
Have you done a dna test to confirm if he is really your brother? I would do that first before wasting any more time riding with him.

judging by what the OP posts in the KS...they are in fact..brothers :teeth
 
Seems like lots of factors at work here. All we can do is offer a best guess estimate of what went wrong. I doubt your brother even really knows what happened- way too new a rider to have a grasp of what he's doing.

So here's my :2cents .
2 weeks and 600 mi of experience on a 600cc at 18years of age. No consideration for proper riding gear (if any, it seems). A jaunt up Pinehurst which is fairly technical for even experienced riders, and a bit dangerous what with cagers well over the DY, gravel in many of the turns and them damn overfed tar-snakes recently plastered all over. All in all a really bad combinations of factors for a kid that doesn't seem to have basic common sense.:squid

The location looks like halfway up between Redwood and the hairpin. Headed up hill, right? Fair sightlines if you're passingly familiar with the road. Easily taken at 45-50mph, 60+ for the go-fast guys.

Maybe he got a bit behind from the right hander just before and tried to play catch-up on the short straight? He came up on the lefty faster than his lack of experience would allow, panicked, target fixated on the berm and brush, maybe even got distracted by the tar-snakes, grabbed brake(s) and off the road. I'd even venture to guess that that skid was all rear brake, fairly straight and upright into the berm and then he dumped it over on its side.

Pretty lucky actually- relatively slow speed (30 or less + scrub-off/skid) and a good sized run-off area. It could have been so much worse if he had lost the front, low sided it and gotten more rashed-up, or dumped it over on the other side of the hill where he could've ended up waayy down the embankment.

The only upside to a rashier crash is it might grate some common sense into him to re-evaluate his approach to motorbikes. But for now it looks like it'll take some time and $$$ to get his bike up and running.

So my fatherly advice for now is to 1) sign him up on BARF where he can read and hopefully pick up some sensible information from others, 2) get him to take the MSF if he hasn't already, 3) drag him around to some of the numerous motorcyclist gatherings that take place almost daily in order to talk with the folks who ride and crash in and around the BayArea and listen to their advice and experience.:nerd

P-Squid
 
The gloves always get me. I just can't get my head around the gloves.

I always think of how bad I used to rash up my hands falling off my skateboard. Of course, that didn't keep me from riding my FZ600 without gloves, in shorts.

Don't know how I survived being 18.
 
You had me at post #4...

He just keeps telling me he doesnt know what happend, i just dont understand how you crash on that turn going 30 unless u start on the inside of the turn, which is still hard to do at that speed and visibility of that turn. Hes 18, fairly immature.

Hold his (gloveless) hands to a belt sander until he tells you what he really did or can't grip the bars to ride.

Oh, and get him something a little more age-and-attitude-appropriate to ride.
 
You had me at post #4...



Hold his (gloveless) hands to a belt sander until he tells you what he really did or can't grip the bars to ride.

Oh, and get him something a little more age-and-attitude-appropriate to ride.

Ninja 250s won't start until you've put gloves on :rolleyes

This guys brother shouldn't be riding, period.
 
Thats too much bike #1 for him considering the little miles he has, no gear, and no MSF. Does he have an M1 or permit?

I've been riding about 2 years now and am surprised you felt comfortable taking your brother out. You were in front I take it? I know when I'm in front I rarely know how well the rider behind me is doing because Im focused on whats in front of me, I glance enough to check for headlights and thats usually about it while in the twisties.

I'd pull the battery in your brothers bike for awhile. He doesnt sound ready to ride.
 
I kinda figured that too but hes been riding for a good amount of time not panic like so, he was going through harder turns than that which makes panicking harder to comprehend



500 miles is not "a good amount of time". That's a weekend's worth of riding for me.

Sounds like your brother doesn't have the maturity to ride yet. Crashing is one thing, everybody makes mistakes. But the rest of it, not wearing gear, lack of responsibility, etc. I see more bad things happening in the future.
 
500 miles is not "a good amount of time". That's a weekend's worth of riding for me.

Sounds like your brother doesn't have the maturity to ride yet. Crashing is one thing, everybody makes mistakes. But the rest of it, not wearing gear, lack of responsibility, etc. I see more bad things happening in the future.

People seem to figure that riding 10 miles 50 times over the course of a year is "a good amount of time."
 
Thats too much bike #1 for him considering the little miles he has, no gear, and no MSF. Does he have an M1 or permit?

I've been riding about 2 years now and am surprised you felt comfortable taking your brother out. You were in front I take it? I know when I'm in front I rarely know how well the rider behind me is doing because Im focused on whats in front of me, I glance enough to check for headlights and thats usually about it while in the twisties.

I'd pull the battery in your brothers bike for awhile. He doesnt sound ready to ride.

I see where your coming from but i have ridden down town with him and through easy back roads when he was learning and from what i saw he knew what he was doing (at least for being new). Redwood and Pinehurst are hard roads in a way, if you are following the speed limit they are just as dangerous/safe as anywhere else if you think about it. Anything that could happen on those roads could happen on any other road.
 
I see where your coming from but i have ridden down town with him and through easy back roads when he was learning and from what i saw he knew what he was doing (at least for being new). Redwood and Pinehurst are hard roads in a way, if you are following the speed limit they are just as dangerous/safe as anywhere else if you think about it. Anything that could happen on those roads could happen on any other road.

What is your point? From everything you've said, your brother does not belong on a bike on any road.
 
What is your point? From everything you've said, your brother does not belong on a bike on any road.

Well i know realize he blows at riding but it just feels strange that i was leading him on a slow pace, explained to he in depth on what to do in every situation, not to break in turns hard etc etc etc. Then he crashes on a turn that a monkey could do. It is just upsetting, kinda like a he doesnt listen to shit anyone says upset feeling.
 
I always think of how bad I used to rash up my hands falling off my skateboard.

I have a half dollar sized circle of road rash on each knee right now thanks to my skateboard. I was getting coffee while the car was getting tires...didn't spill the coffee though!!

I could not have been going more than 5 mph at the time, not even fast by skateboard standards.

As I inspected my knees through the new holes in my pants I thought about the times I'd ridden the bike without my overpants...and one of these days I'm going to wear all my gear at the skatepark, just to offset the guys rolling around in casts.

Stav: Attitude makes a big difference. There are a some people who seem to think that once you get better at riding, or once you learn the basics, that it becomes easier. It becomes harder the more you learn, because you are aware of more things you should be doing, watching for, and capable of.

Also, anything you learn to do takes effort, the more you learn, the more there is for you to do. Some people don't think so...I think they just don't remember well what it was like when they were first riding, or how they imagined riding before that. They don't realize how much effort they put in without thinking about it. The thing that separates those riders from the ones who don't last, is that they accept the additional work, with open arms. They don't even think about it, they just strive, all the time.

The way I see it, you either work hard at riding all the time, or you are lucky until your luck runs out. If your bro is not desperate to know exactly why he crashed, and how to avoid it...what will keep him from repeating?

I know when some people look at a nice bike, they see a fun time, they see themselves accelerating as they twist the throttle, and feeling the wind tug at them...they visualize themselves pulling a badass wheelie, or twisting effortlessly through an S curve...I see the small contact patches, the nuance of rev matching, the effort of scanning the road surface for critical info, and the information overload of sensing all the data coming from my contact points with the bike, and the road coming at me.

It's not what I visualized when I was a kid looking at magazines, it's more work...but it's better. It's real, and it helps keep me alive. It's what allows me to process the roadway from in front of me, to behind me, hopefully someday with grace, for now just with intent. I have the strong sense that the more work I put into it today, the more likely I will be doing it tomorrow.

Crap...I don't know if I made a point, or just rambled like a drunk...
 
Well i know realize he blows at riding but it just feels strange that i was leading him on a slow pace, explained to he in depth on what to do in every situation, not to break in turns hard etc etc etc. Then he crashes on a turn that a monkey could do. It is just upsetting, kinda like a he doesnt listen to shit anyone says upset feeling.


Slow is relative.

Arguably, you simply just cannot program/unprogram muscle-memory reaction associated with riding a motorcycle competently with words.
 
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