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Bye Bye Capitalism

uptick meant no shorting unless a stock was going up.

Why I am worried about the fed takeover is that we will go the traditional pendulum from NO oversight (last eight years) to much oversight with NO responsibility. Oversight of capitalism is fine. Government ownership and control (AIG) is not.

Yeah...I hear you....but what can u do at this point? Hopefully, they'll set up independent agencies or return them back to private sector with some rules.
 
Yeah...I hear you....but what can u do at this point? Hopefully, they'll set up independent agencies or return them back to private sector with some rules.
Urinal Clit Goverment Lemming. I never thought I would say that :laughing
 
Urinal Clit Goverment Lemming. I never thought I would say that :laughing

Doode, I used to be really good looking in high school. I'm telling you.

- Dustin Pedroia

:laughing I don't know why that sounded so funny in my head.
 
sorry.. the picture your painting is a little skewed.

The government is going to engage in over sight of "casino" banking more closely -as it should have been doing 30 years ago.

Not commercial banking.
 
Lessons in Socialism will be learned this year.

Refer to a point in time after WW1 in a lttle country named Germany.
 
sorry.. the picture your painting is a little skewed.

The government is going to engage in over sight of "casino" banking more closely -as it should have been doing 30 years ago.

Not commercial banking.

There was no problem thirty years ago, not really. Not until merging of brokerages/banks and insurance was allowed.

As far as commercial banks, wait till the dust settles. The list of commercial banks going under is getting longer and the FDIC watch list is getting bigger. And at some point the FDIC will run out of money to cover the deposits and the taxpayer will once more bear the burden. Commercial banks got burned on morgage related debt too.
 
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Well shit, whose fault is that? We did not end up in this financial crisis for no reason and somebody has to pay now. The gig is up!
 
Well shit, whose fault is that? We did not end up in this financial crisis for no reason and somebody has to pay now. The gig is up!

That would be you and me...:rofl
 
Now they just need to think up a name for the bailout plan. I suggest "Federal Asset Resolution Trust."
 
This is not the end of capitalism as we know it. This is the end of investment banking as we know it.

The Fed is going to bring securities underwriters under its wings. This means a raft of new regulation. All bad. It's going to be a hell of a lot more difficult to raise money by selling stock or debt.

I stand corrected. It is the end of capitalism. Death by government intervention.
 
Anybody seen this?
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From the Market Watch::

The Federal Reserve said it had approved the transformation of both Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs from investment banks to traditional bank holding companies, a step that would place the last two Wall Street titans under the close supervision of national bank regulators, subjecting them to new capital requirements and additional oversight.

The Fed said it would also extend additional lending to the broker-dealers of the two firms, in addition to Merrill Lynch's, as they make the transition.

The steps effectively mark the end of Wall Street as it has been known for decades, and formalizes a quid-pro-quo that regulators have warned about in the months after Bear Stearns's near collapse -- in return for access to the Fed's emergency lending facilities, the firms would need to subject themselves to more oversight. The step could have far reaching effects on their profitability and their business models.

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Goldman Sachs going down means a whole new era. Call it imperial capitalism or maybe oligarchial hegemony. Now faceless govt appointees will make even more behind the curtain decisions about how things happen, and none of them elected, which basically puts HUGE power into the hands of those who appoint. Scary shit.

Hi Ernie, hope you didn't get caught on the wrong side of this mess, know how much you used to like bank stocks.

Funny how last year when I called this stuff, many said I was crazy, this could never happen.

Damn, its happening even faster than I thought it would.



Now they just need to think up a name for the bailout plan. I suggest "Federal Asset Resolution Trust."

Well we have Fannie-Mae and Freddie-Mac (both taken over by fed now)

This new program is called Feddie-Pay

Oldest program in the world... feed the rich!
 
No I dumped all my financial stocks and most everything else.

I heard the following name: "THF" or "Toxic Hedge Fund" cause it is buying all the junk toxic waste out there.
 
This is not the end of capitalism as we know it. This is the end of investment banking as we know it.

The Fed is going to bring securities underwriters under its wings. This means a raft of new regulation. All bad. It's going to be a hell of a lot more difficult to raise money by selling stock or debt.

I stand corrected. It is the end of capitalism. Death by government intervention.

Unfortunately all the Monday morning armchair quarterbacks are blaming everything on a lack of regulation while pointing fingers at opposition party politicians.

Too often the public gets the legislation they ask for. In our 24 hour news world of sensationalism that is rarely a good thing. :(
 
The free market didn't push us here. In a free market the banks would be held responsible for their actions and the ones which made bad loans would go under like they should. Plus the feds were pushing for easier access to loans to allow poorer people the ability to buy homes. The problem is between freemarket and regulation, the problem is that govt and business are in bed together to our detriment.


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The Bush administration is pushing for a "clean" bill to be passed quickly and not be loaded up with provisions that would deter companies from participating.


Say what? Deter from participating in forestalling own bankruptcy through the most egregious handout ever?
 
My biggest fears with this proposed $700 Billion bail-out are the following:
1. It is going to be pushed through much too fast for it to be well done and accomplish what it should.
2. A large part of the $700 Billion will end up in the very pockets of the people responsible for this mess in the first place. Remember that these people are extremely adept at working loopholes for their own profit and they are much smarter than the people who will be setting the rules.
3. Because of the complexity of this whole mess, lawmakers are going to be utilizing the people who know the system best for coming up with a solution. You can bet your bottom dollar that these people (drawn from remark #2) will be hiding loopholes throughout the legislation that ensure that they can profit hugely from it.

This is the biggest single pie being placed out there for a solution in the history of this country, you can bet that the richest and brightest in this country are working night and day to get the biggest slice of this pie that they can get their hands on!

In addition, I don't think that government oversight is going to be what it's cracked up to be, it's just going to end up being one more area of the government to corrupt and exploit. Things could very well end up worse than before in the long run.
 
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