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Cartel Beheading

Since we have several beheadings all pretty different, I wonder if they pick what kind of death out of a hat. Ie death by chainsaw, by knife, knife to the nuts then head, dull cutting knife...
 
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sidewazzz said:
Since we have several beheadings all pretty different, I wonder if they pick what kind of death out of a hat. Ie death by chainsaw, by knife, knife to the nuts then head, dull cutting knife...
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Chainsaw for me.... that was fast. Fuck I think he winced the second time out of primal reaction...
 
Just watched the video, and while still being sick and disgusting, and a new element of surprise (the chainsaw), not the worst video I've seen. The worst video I've seen was of a kid who cut off the head of some guy somewhere in the middle east. Kid was sawing away on the guys neck for what seemed like 10 minutes. BRUTAL!
 
Xenophonii said:
Chainsaw for me.... that was fast. Fuck I think he winced the second time out of primal reaction...
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The first cut only chopped the windpipe. The 2nd severed the spinal-column. Even then, the brain is still alive for a minute or two; he can still see and hear.
 
DannoXYZ said:
...he can still see and hear.
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That theory could be a little difficult to prove, right?

I can't say I've really been close to death but I know for a fact that in racing when a rider has a seriously traumatic crash, they black out 99% of the time and don't even remember the incident. I would have a tough time believing that a human being wouldn't black out when their windpipe is severed and I can't even imagine how the brain would still be "operational" after the spine is severed. My best guess is that those guys blacked out well before their hearts stopped and brain activity ceased long before they were clinically declared dead. Still a brutal and disgusting way to go but I have serious doubts they were cognisant until the very end.
 
DannoXYZ said:
The first cut only chopped the windpipe. The 2nd severed the spinal-column. Even then, the brain is still alive for a minute or two; he can still see and hear.
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Only? Well I'd say he was in instant shock after his adam's apple and windpipe was ripped out... after that, it's academic and not worth debating :laughing
 
Xenophonii said:
Only? Well I'd say he was in instant shock after his adam's apple and windpipe was ripped out... after that, it's academic and not worth debating :laughing
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it's still an interesting read:
http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/4574/does-one-remain-conscious-after-decapitation

The most often quoted story supporting consciousness after beheading is the 1905 eye-witness report by Dr. Gabriel Beaurieux of a man named Languille.
Here, then, is what I was able to note immediately after the decapitation: the eyelids and lips of the guillotined man worked in irregularly rhythmic contractions for about five or six seconds. This phenomenon has been remarked by all those finding themselves in the same conditions as myself for observing what happens after the severing of the neck

[...] I waited for several seconds. The spasmodic movements ceased. The face relaxed, the lids half closed on the eyeballs, leaving only the white of the conjunctiva visible, exactly as in the dying whom we have occasion to see every day in the exercise of our profession, or as in those just dead. It was then that I called in a strong, sharp voice: "Languille!" I saw the eyelids slowly lift up, without any spasmodic contractions – I insist advisedly on this peculiarity – but with an even movement, quite distinct and normal, such as happens in everyday life, with people awakened or torn from their thoughts.

Next Languille's eyes very definitely fixed themselves on mine and the pupils focused themselves. I was not, then, dealing with the sort of vague dull look without any expression, that can be observed any day in dying people to whom one speaks: I was dealing with undeniably living eyes which were looking at me. "After several seconds, the eyelids closed again, slowly and evenly, and the head took on the same appearance as it had had before I called out.

It was at that point that I called out again and, once more, without any spasm, slowly, the eyelids lifted and undeniably living eyes fixed themselves on mine with perhaps even more penetration than the first time. The there was a further closing of the eyelids, but now less complete. I attempted the effect of a third call; there was no further movement – and the eyes took on the glazed look which they have in the dead.

[...] The whole thing had lasted twenty-five to thirty seconds.
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Less authoritatively, a forum user claiming to be a pilot gives a possible explanation for Dr. Beaurieux's observations using his own experiences with oxygen-deprivation:
While I'm not a doctor, something I wanted to add to this discussion was the experiences I have had in altitude chambers, where we were exposed to oxygen deprevation and hypoxia.

They bring the altitude chamber to 25,000, 30,000, and/or 35,000 feet, depending on the training (I've done all 3) and individuals take turns removing their oxygen masks and trying to function at those altitudes.

One student, a pilot training candidate, took his off at 35,000.

Within approximately 20 seconds, his lips and fingernails were blue (cyanosis), his speech was slurred, and he was having difficulty thinking (we're asked to perform simple tasks, like writing our names, etc).

By 30 seconds, he was no longer responding; however, his eyes were opened and he was looking around. He didn't fall over or pass out. This is normal for hypoxia, though it differs from how Hollywood and the media portray it.

He was told he was "going to die" if he "didn't put his mask on".

After repeated attempts, finally the instructor told the student next to him to put the incapacitated student's mask back on for him.

Before he could do that, one of the other students yelled, "EJECT, EJECT, EJECT!" The hypoxic student immediately started reaching for the ejection handles.

As soon as his mask was back on, the student returned to trying to write his name on the paper and was unaware of what happened inbetween, thus he had no memory of being told he was going to die or that he tried to eject.

I think the lesson here is that there are reflexive responses and there are conscious responses.

In the case of beheading, yelling the victim's name and having him look towards you definately indicates brain activity on some levels, but the response may be purely reflexive, and does not necessarily indicate that the victim is conscious and aware.
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The only article I was able to find that is unrelated to Dr. Beaurieux's account is a 1886 Proges Medical Journal article detailing the study of a single head/body after beheading:

These researches show that not a trace of consciousness remains two seconds after beheading; that reflex movements of the cornea can be excited for a few seconds; that the heart may beat for an hour, the auricles continuing to pulsate alone for half that period; and that, putting aside the reflex movements of the eyelid, the contraction of the jaws and the jets of blood from the carotids, it seemed in this case as though a corpse had been decapitated, so inert were the remains of the convict.
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I wonder if it's the lizard brain that's responding. It would make sense that it would be the "last to go." In either case, it is fascinating...
 
Wow, I watch a dozen of those back when they were 'all the rage', but this one really made me feel sick. I think I hate humans.
 
I find this thread disturbing.

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