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Cleveland shooting

enki

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Am I missing something, or why is no one commenting on that shooting. It looks to me as those cops really did screw up.
At least from a tactical perspective, wouldn't you park about 50-100 yards away and get out your long gun before confronting the kid. Rolling up and opening fire looked really stupid and perhaps criminal.
 
Just read the story and watched the video. It's really unfortunate, but I think the cops did nothing wrong.

The gun that kid had looks like a real gun. He seemingly reached for it when the cops came. And he was shot.

I still just feel bad for that poor boys family.
 
I read one report that made a big deal about the dispatcher not telling the officers the gun could be fake. That seems strange to me. Why would they want officers to not be guarded? A gun that could be fake could be real. I agree that how they approached seems counter-intuitive. It looks to me like their position would have been hard to defend and easily attacked.
 
noooooooooooo!

:cry


I'll bet it was a white guy :(


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please please please someone tell me that the kid who was shot WASNT black.... please
 
:rolleyes


geee, wonder how i could have possibly guessed that.....
 
Poor kid probably never even realized the potential consequences of his actions.
 
I agree that the dispatcher probably wouldn't want to say the gun might be fake. How does the witness know? But I've been a witness to several similar incidents. Our cops do a recon. They don't just speed in. The shooter was a rookie. Makes you wonder about Cleveland's training.
 
enki said:
I agree that the dispatcher probably wouldn't want to say the gun might be fake. How does the witness know? But I've been a witness to several similar incidents. Our cops do a recon. They don't just speed in. The shooter was a rookie. Makes you wonder about Cleveland's training.
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Well, I'm wondering if the rookie cop was in field training with the older cop.

The officers were identified as 26-year-old Timothy Loehmann, who was appointed to the force this year, and 46-year-old Frank Garmback, who's been with the department since 2008.
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I don't know if they normally run two man cars or not, but it's certainly possible he was in field training. If so, the rookie would likely be driving, so he might have just made a rookie mistake, forcing FTO in the passenger seat to get right out of the car and react quickly.
 
It's really a sad, sad, deal, but who in this day and age wouldn't warn their kid not to point replicas at strangers? Three lives ruined, probably.
 
bojangle said:
Well, I'm wondering if the rookie cop was in field training with the older cop.



I don't know if they normally run two man cars or not, but it's certainly possible he was in field training. If so, the rookie would likely be driving, so he might have just made a rookie mistake, forcing FTO in the passenger seat to get right out of the car and react quickly.
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I assume FTO means Field Training Officer..? If so, doesn't he or she have some authority in such a situation? I realize we can parse this shit out until the end of time and none of it means anything, but it looked to me like the officer in the passenger seat incurred the most risk and this happened because of the officer driving.
 
I just watched the video and my opinion is that that was some fucked up police work.
 
enki said:
I agree that the dispatcher probably wouldn't want to say the gun might be fake. How does the witness know? But I've been a witness to several similar incidents. Our cops do a recon. They don't just speed in. The shooter was a rookie. Makes you wonder about Cleveland's training.
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I did link this story earlier, in the police state thread. some good back and forth between current and former officers, on both sides of the opinion
 
Video is of poor quality. Dispatcher very clearly dropped the ball on this. Police pulled up so close to the kid they gave themselves no safety barrier or time to asses. The shoot was very fast I don't like it at all. Kid got the BB gun from another kid at the youth center.

I have a very hard time accepting these recurring shootings by police of kids with toy guns. In each scenario the consistent pattern is police go in hot weapons drawn and shoot within seconds not really engaging investigative but reacting.

The officer has the ability to slow the situation down
 
JakesKTM said:
Video is of poor quality. Dispatcher very clearly dropped the ball on this. Police pulled up so close to the kid they gave themselves no safety barrier or time to asses. The shoot was very fast I don't like it at all. Kid got the BB gun from another kid at the youth center.

I have a very hard time accepting these recurring shootings by police of kids with toy guns. In each scenario the consistent pattern is police go in hot weapons drawn and shoot within seconds not really engaging investigative but reacting.

The officer has the ability to slow the situation down
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not if he's shooting scared he doesn't.
 
on one hand, how dumb you gotta be to be walking around with a gun like object, waving and pointing it around totally in the open in a park??!


on the other hand, damn did the police react beyond stupidly. dispatcher had nothing to do with the problem; rolling up on him so close was beyond poor training.
 
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