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Dave Chappelle

Dave still on that oppression olympics theme since I've started watching him about a decade ago.

Gender is real in the sense it exists as a social construct but, he conflates it with biological sex. This is a common mistake but, I suppose you can't expect everyone even Dave, who
has an understanding of racial dynamics in the public discourse.
 
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he’s a little like hot peppers - sometimes awesome, sometimes they burn you. whatever the outcome, they tantalize you to taste them.

IMO he’s kinda the biochemical definition of antagonism - ‘inhibition of or interference with the action of one substance or organism by another’.

on the other hand, if you have a negative reaction, your thoughts may go to an antonym of antagonism (e.g. amity or empathy). who knows his intentions, or how clever he actually is.

seems like a smart guy to me though (purpose not obvious - may reflect in his approach / be tangent to it).
 
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I think Chappelle's Show was funny but I don't respect him like I used to. He does punch down.

You'd thinks someone who was a minority, who CHOSE TO CONVERT TO ISLAM, would have more compassion.
 
loved the show. comedy like this is meant to push boundaries, if you can't handle it, don't watch it. this isn't a qAnon series on homosexuality.

You can kinda spot who didn't actually watch the show and just jumped on the hate bandwagon - RIP daphne
 
Karbon said:
Article says the employee tried to attend an exec's she wasn't invited to. Not sure of the details of how that went. If anything that's what the anti cancel folks would latch onto.
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Yeah, who knows the details. But, if true that the employee tried to use whatever meeting to make a scene, suspension would seem to fall within the realm of reasonableness.

Do you guys not think cancel culture is a real and worrying phenomenon?
 
jdhu said:
Do you guys not think cancel culture is a real and worrying phenomenon?
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Depends. What type of cancel culture are we talking about? I really do love when say a racist person going on some tirade gets posted to tiktok and then gets cancelled by their employer.
 
jdhu said:
Yeah, who knows the details. But, if true that the employee tried to use whatever meeting to make a scene, suspension would seem to fall within the realm of reasonableness.

Do you guys not think cancel culture is a real and worrying phenomenon?
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Claiming they were making a scene is an assumption that goes well beyond what is actually being reported. All that is being said is that they tried to get into a meeting, we don't know how they tried to get in, if they got in, and if they did get in, what they did in the meeting. Given that Netflix is the one giving that excuse, I don't know why they would not give details unless the details would reveal that it's a nothing burger.

I think that the people who push cancel culture don't actually care about cancel culture, they just want to defend people who share their ideology, and will either just avoid talking about people with contrary ideologies who get cancelled, or find some excuse that makes it ok.

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loved the show. comedy like this is meant to push boundaries, if you can't handle it, don't watch it. this isn't a qAnon series on homosexuality.

You can kinda spot who didn't actually watch the show and just jumped on the hate bandwagon - RIP daphne
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Yea, he is really pushing the boundaries by repeating the jokes that edgy 14 year olds were making back in 2015.
 
asdfghwy said:
Depends. What type of cancel culture are we talking about? I really do love when say a racist person going on some tirade gets posted to tiktok and then gets cancelled by their employer.
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I don't really consider employer discretion to be cancel culture (so, I don't consider Netflix suspending this employee to be cancel culture). Cancel culture, in my mind, is shouting down others, preventing others from speaking (by destroying equipment, pulling microphone cables, etc.), advocating for the banning of certain speech, etc. The Ann Coulter stuff at UC Berkeley comes to mind as an example.
 
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Claiming they were making a scene is an assumption that goes well beyond what is actually being reported. All that is being said is that they tried to get into a meeting, we don't know how they tried to get in, if they got in, and if they did get in, what they did in the meeting. Given that Netflix is the one giving that excuse, I don't know why they would not give details unless the details would reveal that it's a nothing burger.

I think that the people who push cancel culture don't actually care about cancel culture, they just want to defend people who share their ideology, and will either just avoid talking about people with contrary ideologies who get cancelled, or find some excuse that makes it ok.
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Second paragraph makes no sense to me. Speaking for myself (anecdote not evidence, lol), I'm greatly concerned with intolerance of expression, no matter what's being said. One day, you might find yourself in the group deemed intolerable.

Correct, we don't have details of what the employee did or didn't do (which is why I said "if"). I have no problem with a company suspending an unruly employee ("if" that's what happened), and her gender choice has no bearing.
 
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Yea, he is really pushing the boundaries by repeating the jokes that edgy 14 year olds were making back in 2015.
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If he really was just repeating edgy jokes from 2015 he wouldn't be one of the greatest stand-up comedians and story tellers of all time.

RIP daphne
 
jdhu said:
I don't really consider employer discretion to be cancel culture (so, I don't consider Netflix suspending this employee to be cancel culture). Cancel culture, in my mind, is shouting down others, preventing others from speaking (by destroying equipment, pulling microphone cables, etc.), advocating for the banning of certain speech, etc. The Ann Coulter stuff at UC Berkeley comes to mind as an example.
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Ah ok, yeah I didn't think of it in that context. I agree with you on your end though
 
jdhu said:
I don't really consider employer discretion to be cancel culture (so, I don't consider Netflix suspending this employee to be cancel culture). Cancel culture, in my mind, is shouting down others, preventing others from speaking (by destroying equipment, pulling microphone cables, etc.), advocating for the banning of certain speech, etc. The Ann Coulter stuff at UC Berkeley comes to mind as an example.
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With this definition, what is the difference between protesting, a fully protected expression of free speech, and cancel culture?

See, IMO, cancel culture is when people or groups with some amount of power use that power to silence speech or behavior they don't like. It applies to Netflix suspending their outspoken trans employee. It applies to online brigades (who collectively have a lot of power even if they are individually pretty ignorable) dragging and doxing people.

A definition of cancel culture that basically carves out any action taken by employers as not counting is pretty ridiculous.

asdfghwy said:
If he really was just repeating edgy jokes from 2015 he wouldn't be one of the greatest stand-up comedians and story tellers of all time.

RIP daphne
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That's true, it is pretty weird to say that someone who just repeated edgy jokes from 2015 is one of the greatest stand up comedians and story tellers of all time.
 
ScarySpikes said:
With this definition, what is the difference between protesting, a fully protected expression of free speech, and cancel culture?

See, IMO, cancel culture is when people or groups with some amount of power use that power to silence speech or behavior they don't like. It applies to Netflix suspending their outspoken trans employee. It applies to online brigades (who collectively have a lot of power even if they are individually pretty ignorable) dragging and doxing people.
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It's funny. Neither of us know the details of what led to the employee's suspension (something I acknowledged and which you reiterated), but here, you are assuming NFLX suspended her merely for being "outspoken." You have no idea what she did.

The power dynamic makes no sense to me. You are saying that to qualify as cancel culture, the "canceller" must have power over the cancelled? In other words, someone or some group you perceive as disempowered cannot, by definition, cancel a different group?

Is it fair to say that Ann Coulter at UCB, in your view, has the power of conservative backing and money, and whatever power dynamic as a white person, and therefore, only someone with even more power can truly cancel her? What?

Protesting is of course protected, and great! If someone wants to protest Ann Coulter, do so by all means. Don't prevent her from speaking or prevent others from attending (that has now gone beyond speech), don't destroy her audio equipment, etc. The well-meaning and too-common notion (especially here) that "some speech is just to hateful to allow" is an obvious form of cancel culture.
 
We're watching right now.

So far nothing I'd say is objectionable.
 
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