Did this get posted yet? 2012 ducati 848 streetfighter

[ohio]

I'd rather have an 850cc engine than a 1200 on the street, but...
1) Why isn't it lighter? I also wouldn't mind saving some weight from my shrunken engine. The 848 sportbike is significantly lighter than the 1198... how did they NOT save weight.
2) The bodywork on the SF is hideous - looks like it's cobbled from an Acerbis catalog - in yellow it's atrocious. I find it hard to believe that comes from Italy. The tortured surfacing and odd proportions scream "design student." Terblanche and Tamburini never would have produced something that amateur.

The Street Triple R is still better looking, and probably better riding, for less money. Ditto for the Super Duke is at price parity. I shouldn't complain too much - it's good to see folks producing high performance street (rather than race) bikes. I'd like to see as many offerings in the category as possible.

 

[Idioteque]

I'd be curious to see what your bike looks like..?

sorry did I hurt your feelings? I didn't mean to.

I ride a beamer x challenge btw, not meant to necessarily look pretty.

 

[Yo!Joe!!!]

sorry did I hurt your feelings? I didn't mean to.

I ride a beamer x challenge btw, not meant to necessarily look pretty.

Ok, so you ride a video projector..! And no, you do not hurt my feelings. That's my job..! Now, go play with your "beamer" and stay off my grass!!!

 

[Idioteque]

Haha whatever man. Peace and love

 

[Punter]

^^^ That too..!

And now the new EVO engines are pumping out more power than the previous models. *I wouldn't put it past me if Ducati offers a Multistrada with an 848 liquid cooled engine in the future..!

It would be like this:

Monster.......696 (entry level) Most noticeable features: wet clutch, dual sided swingarm, 120/60 Front tire, 160/60 Rear tire

Monster.......796, 1100, 1100S
Hypermotard.796, 1100, 1100SP

Multistrada..*848, 1200, 1200S
Streetfighter.848, 1198, 1198S
Superbike.....848, 1198, 1198SP

And my own personal prediction (you heard it here first): arty

Superbike.....849, 1199, 1199SP

I see what you're doing here. BUT

Too many models. They're heading for a financial minefield. Much like GM and Ford did back in the day with the rediculous badge engineering.

One model with a 696? Not enough economies of scale. I'd prefer to see them offer two models per bike only plus TWO upgrade packages for either.

Upgrade 1: Suspension and some farkles
Upgrade 2: Suspension, farkles and electronics like TC, ABS, quick shift etc.

SO:

Monster: 796, 1100
Multi: 848, 1198
Street Fighter: 848 (ok, you convinced me) and 1198
Motard: 796, 1100
Superbikes: 848, 1198
Diavel: The biggest engine they can come up with.

Insert whatever engine config they come up to replace 848 and 1198 as needed.

 

[Roadstergal]

Cause it's cheaper. Offers better gas mileage.

Yarp, I'm thinking of an 848 streetfighter as an inexpensive gas saver.

You can just get on it way harder on a smaller bike

That I'm more on board with, although I'd never have thought I'd be discussing an 848 as a low-power streetbike.

1) Why isn't it lighter?

Where did you get the weight specs? I only see Internet speculation so far.

 

[Z3n]

So? Get an aftermarket seat..

Z3n - I'm with Joe on this - there is a lot to love about a smaller displacement bike that still rips - you can use a lot more of the power and that can be more satisfying.. On my Z1000 I rarely ever use the last 3,000 of the rpm range, while on my Street Triple I frequently run it up to redline in the first couple gears - and the Street Triple is way lighter..

A smaller bike will always be more nimble too due to the lower reciprocating mass of the engine (witness the new GSXR 600 vs GSXR 750 - 7 lbs difference, but the 600 is way more nimble/flickable)

For the street, having a bike that makes 100hp at the rear wheel can potentially be more fun and satisfying to ride hard than a bike that makes 140hp at the rear wheel.. You can just get on it way harder on a smaller bike rather than something like a 1098 Streetfighter where you always have to baby the thing until you get a wide open stretch.. A 1000cc bike is not without its charms - I absolutely love my short-geared Z1000 - but for sure smaller displacement sport bike is not a downgrade at all..

I love the look of that new Ducati 848 SF - if they get the ergos right, a 140hp engine tuned for torque will be an absolute blast to ride on the street, which is all that really matters..

Your Z1000 and the 848 make nearly the same HP and torque. If you're not using the last 3k of the Z1000 rev range, you're not gonna use the last 3k of the 848 rev range either, because they both have a pretty top heavy powerband.

A smaller bike won't always be more nimble. There's a lot more that comes into play than just reciprocating mass. Wheelbase, steering geometry, amount of leverage at the bars, efficacy of steering inputs due to bar location, and on, and on, and on. Engine mass is a small part of that equation that can be easily overcome by adjusting other setup items.

The ergos on the big SF were one of my primary complaints. The SF has significantly more aggressive ergos than the Z1000, bars down about 2 inches and forward about 4 inches. I was hoping for a more upright riding position, but upright for a SF is still pretty forward and aggressive.

Which just takes it back to...why? Their competition is the Street Triple/R, which would beat it or equal it in nearly all categories, from cost to around town driveability (that 848 engine is not happy at lower RPM), while still maintaining a fair amount of badge exclusiveness.

As I said before...it's parts bin motorcycle design. They made the big SF, may as well make a little one. But I don't think it's gonna be a big seller, if it does, it's going to cannibalize their Monster sales, why not make something more interesting that fills a market that's starting but isn't there yet? Like, say, a Multistrada 800. Or a superlight 848 based supermoto type bike to compete in the proper megamoto market (SuperDuke, etc).

 

[ohio]

Where did you get the weight specs? I only see Internet speculation so far.

From HellForLeather, who are pretty good about stating when it's speculation vs specification:

Rather than the 140bhp of the Ducati 848 Evo, this new 849cc Streetfighter makes 132bhp at 10,000rpm, nearly identical to the pre-Evo 848. But, rather than re-purposing that old motor, this new bike actually uses a version of the Testastretta 11° engine ...
No weight has been lost in translation from 1098 to 848, the little Streetfighter weighs the same as the larger bike: 169kg. It also obviously makes less power, down from 155bhp at 9,500rpm. The 848 Evo’s 72.3lb/ft drops to 69lb/ft in Streetfighter guise. The 1098 Streetfighter makes 85lb/ft.

 

[Karbon]

Yup. Still gay.

 

[Yo!Joe!!!]

I see what you're doing here. BUT

Too many models. They're heading for a financial minefield. Much like GM and Ford did back in the day with the rediculous badge engineering.

One model with a 696? Not enough economies of scale. I'd prefer to see them offer two models per bike only plus TWO upgrade packages for either.

Upgrade 1: Suspension and some farkles
Upgrade 2: Suspension, farkles and electronics like TC, ABS, quick shift etc.

SO:

Monster: 796, 1100
Multi: 848, 1198
Street Fighter: 848 (ok, you convinced me) and 1198
Motard: 796, 1100
Superbikes: 848, 1198
Diavel: The biggest engine they can come up with.

Insert whatever engine config they come up to replace 848 and 1198 as needed.

Dude. Again, what are you talking about..? Ducati's sales were up by 63% for the first half of 2011. They also have Rossi on their MotoGP team (even though he's not wining) who is bringing in more sales. And as of today they're currently poised to win the WSBK championship with a non factory 1198 piloted by Carlos Checa..! And will shine even more light on the already popular brand..! Ducati is not going broke anytime soon. If anything, it's the Japanese bike sales that are hurting..! Dude, go walk into Munroe Motors in San Francisco and ask for an 1198 SBK. Guess what..? They're all sold out..! Same for 2007, the 1098's first year run..!

Another thing, in your palette choice you excluded the Monster 696. Well, that bike is not going away. It's the bread and butter of Ducati. And if you think that the 796 with it's 180/55 rear tire should be an entry level bike..? Your nuts..!

In 2004 Ducati had a much larger palette of bikes to choose from. First there was the 998 selling alongside the 999. Then the infinite choice of Monsters from the 620 and S2 to the liquid cooled S4, the various SS and Multistrada models, the ST3 and ST4, the Paul Smart (first sport classic), many other special edition models and so on, so on... And Ducati is still doing well. In my opinion they're doing a terrific job of weathering the bad economy and adapting to change. Ducati doesn't just sell bikes, they also sell an image whether you like it or not, through product licensing of apparel, shoes, sunglasses, coffee makers, luggage, etc., etc... That's pure marketing genius. If only the other manufacturers followed suit they wouldn't be in the financial crisis that they're in. Look at MV Agusta, awesome bikes..! Yet, they're almost going out of business...

In my view. The more bike choices the merrier. Anyway, nuff said. I'm going out to buy me a pack of Marlboros to do my part for the brand..!

Yarp, I'm thinking of an 848 streetfighter as an inexpensive gas saver.

I meant. When compared to a StreetFighter with an 1198 engine... :|

 

[Lumberjack]

Well, if it isn't lighter than the 1098 SF that's not so great..

And if they haven't tuned the engine for better low end end midrange that's no good either..

People are not happy about the design on this bike though - is it me or is it identical in design to the 1098 SF? I looked at side by side pics of the two and I don't see any difference at all..

From the pics, I never thought the 1098 SF looked that great - but in person they're badass - especially since many of the people who own them seem to drop a stack of money on aftermarket carbon fiber farkles.. Saw a grey/silver(aftermarket paint I think) one on the Angeles Crest last weekend with no mirrors but a bunch of carbon fiber and that thing looked fantastic..

 

[donoman]

Anyone own this sexy beast yet?