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Digital SLR / DSLR Camera Question / DSLR Thread 2

Ok. Maybe go up an ISO? I hope some of the other would chime in to get their opinion.

Anyways on the 13th I'll be going to do Night Photo Class. Looking forward to it.
 
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My wife wanted a project to photo every White House Ornament collection we have. So wanted to share them with y'all.

 
So I returned my 6d and instead got a 70D based on my current needs but rest assured I will get a FF also

Ive been pondering about the next body to use. My Xti still takes really good pics, but i find myself using the 16-35 the most, yet my main issue is that i really dislike taking pics with flash (even with diffusers it doesnt look as good) and even at f/2.8 my shutter speeds drop to uncomfortable levels even at ISO 1600 (which on the XTi is not pretty).

I find your choice interesting, being that you went from a 6D to a 70D instead of a 7D. I'm stuck at deciding between the 6D and the 7D. Would you be so kind as to give me a glimpse into your train of thought and why the 70D was better (for you) than the 6D and 7D? Thanks
 
... Would you be so kind as to give me a glimpse into your train of thought and why the 70D was better (for you) than the 6D and 7D? Thanks

I had the 6D and was very satisfied on the performance. In fact I loved the low-light capabilities of the camera. And honestly it was very comparable, in my opinion, to the 5D Mk III. Though it does lack on the cross-AF points I would hope that my shot is dead nuts on the subject.

Being that I returned my 6D and went with a 70D due to the number of cross-AF points, shutter speed and the ability to get a little creative on the video function even though I use manual focusing.. Since I shoot a lot of sports photo I needed a more sport oriented camera that has the reach and ability to track the subject. Next year I will be getting a 6D again this time to focus on more creative landscape and portrait shots.

On your post you stated that you were torn between the 6D and 7D well I think it really depends on what your style of photography you are planning. If landscape, flowers, and bugs are your cup of tea then hands down the 6D. It is a FF camera with excellent image that absolutely rivals the 5D Mk III for a lot less $$$. Now if you are looking into more sports I would look into the 70D, not the 7D. Don't get me wrong the 7D is a real workhorse of a camera and it has been around for a long time but that is the issue with the 7D it has been around a long time without any planned upgrade. Yes some rumors are running around about a 7D Mk II but so far that is just rumor.

The 70D offers more than what the 7D can offer. They both share the same 19-point AF but the 70D is 20.2MP versus an 18MP. Plus it has the WiFi and it is a lot lighter than the 7D. Trust me I haul around a 1D Mk IIN camera and standing out for a long time it feels like a boat anchor.

So I hope this gives you some insight into my decision to "step down" from a 6D.
 
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Thank you Outta Control for the detailed explanation :thumbup

I'm more into portrait work and planning on getting into sport photography with a bit of video in the mix. Im in no rush to pick up a new body, but with several great sales going on, its tempting.
 
Thank you Outta Control for the detailed explanation :thumbup

I'm more into portrait work and planning on getting into sport photography with a bit of video in the mix. Im in no rush to pick up a new body, but with several great sales going on, its tempting.



I spent years doing my best not to get into sports photography because of the gear requirements. I knew that I would never be happy 'just making do' with what I had. Sure as shit I was right. I shot my first Sharks preseason game earlier this year with my 5DII. It KILLED me to be sitting there shooting at 3 frames per second while everyone around me was shooting at 9-10 frames per second. I missed out on a bunch of great shots because of my slow ass shutter speed.

Before shooting sports, I was more than happy shooting a bunch of different things with my 5DII. I never had any limitations there. Now I shoot with a 1Dx, and I'm saving up for a 400mm f2.8 ($10,000).

Sports photography is all kinds of fun, but the fucked up thing about it is that the guy with the nicest gear usually ends up getting the best pictures.
 
Thank you Outta Control for the detailed explanation :thumbup

I'm more into portrait work and planning on getting into sport photography with a bit of video in the mix. Im in no rush to pick up a new body, but with several great sales going on, its tempting.

Oh it is tempting. If you can afford it do it now.
 
I took a lot of bursts of these birds as they flew from place to place, and maybe only 10% were acceptably sharp. I figured there was something crucial I was doing wrong - but it was hard to keep the camera moving with the bird while having the lens focus fast enough for these suckers, so maybe what I was doing wasn't possible. Or maybe I need lots more practice tracking my subjects.

You just need more practice. Also keep in mind that at F3.2, your DOF is gonna pretty thin so focusing on a moving object can at times be more difficult. Just keep on shooting:thumbup
 
I took a lot of bursts of these birds as they flew from place to place, and maybe only 10% were acceptably sharp. I figured there was something crucial I was doing wrong - but it was hard to keep the camera moving with the bird while having the lens focus fast enough for these suckers, so maybe what I was doing wasn't possible. Or maybe I need lots more practice tracking my subjects.

Like Vee already stated you need to practice tracking your subjects. One drawback to your setup is the 6D itself as it was more designed for landscape and portrait. You only have one cross AF point and the remaining 10 are vertical focus point. So unless you are good at track or predicting where that bird will go it will be hard to get a sharp image on a 6D.
 
Before shooting sports, I was more than happy shooting a bunch of different things with my 5DII. I never had any limitations there. Now I shoot with a 1Dx, and I'm saving up for a 400mm f2.8 ($10,000).

Sports photography is all kinds of fun, but the fucked up thing about it is that the guy with the nicest gear usually ends up getting the best pictures.

I've contemplated the 1Dx but reality hits quickly and until I actually start making money off of photography, its only a dream
 
...Sports photography is all kinds of fun, but the fucked up thing about it is that the guy with the nicest gear usually ends up getting the best pictures.

Not all true. I recently went to a Meetup with the photographer for the 49'rs and based on his explanation the camera gear is just it a tool to get shots. What makes it good pictures is the guy behind the lens to get the timing down for that "money" shot.
 
Well, it's a combination of both. You got to have the right gear and the right skills to get the "money" shot.
 
Not all true. I recently went to a Meetup with the photographer for the 49'rs and based on his explanation the camera gear is just it a tool to get shots. What makes it good pictures is the guy behind the lens to get the timing down for that "money" shot.

:thumbup

Well, it's a combination of both. You got to have the right gear and the right skills to get the "money" shot.

My first photo that got printed in Cycle World was taken with a Canon 30d and a crappy, took forever to focus, sigma 70-300 lens.
 
in bright daylight outdoors you can get plenty of great shots with affordable gear. night/indoor sports, that can be a different story. just matters what you trying to shoot. right tool for the job and all that. course still need to know how to use said tools
 
I spent years doing my best not to get into sports photography because of the gear requirements. I knew that I would never be happy 'just making do' with what I had. Sure as shit I was right. I shot my first Sharks preseason game earlier this year with my 5DII. It KILLED me to be sitting there shooting at 3 frames per second while everyone around me was shooting at 9-10 frames per second. I missed out on a bunch of great shots because of my slow ass shutter speed.

Before shooting sports, I was more than happy shooting a bunch of different things with my 5DII. I never had any limitations there. Now I shoot with a 1Dx, and I'm saving up for a 400mm f2.8 ($10,000).

Sports photography is all kinds of fun, but the fucked up thing about it is that the guy with the nicest gear usually ends up getting the best pictures.

I'm no sports pro shooter, but the motorcycle racing I've shot I found that blasting the shutter was a waste of time and shutter cycles. Even at 6fps, I found that I only had a bunch of shitty frames rather than pressing the shutter when I actually saw the picture I wanted. When I got away from the auto-shutter, I found I took less pictures and had more keepers.

Better gear won't make you a better photographer. Once you have the ability to make great pictures, better gear will allow you to produce those great pictures on a more sustainable, predictable basis. Better gear allows you to create quality consistently. But it will not help you produce quality.
 
I'm no sports pro shooter, but the motorcycle racing I've shot I found that blasting the shutter was a waste of time and shutter cycles. Even at 6fps, I found that I only had a bunch of shitty frames rather than pressing the shutter when I actually saw the picture I wanted. When I got away from the auto-shutter, I found I took less pictures and had more keepers.

Better gear won't make you a better photographer. Once you have the ability to make great pictures, better gear will allow you to produce those great pictures on a more sustainable, predictable basis. Better gear allows you to create quality consistently. But it will not help you produce quality.

I hear you and can not disagree with you more. I consider myself as a quick learner and this has been my personal experience throughout life. By no means I am a guru or expert at photography but I see myself to ever progress and learn from it. The "tool" can only make you go so far but it takes practiced skill, timing , and foresight to get that shot.

As an example from the photo above. I had to know what the operators were each doing and when I anticipate one of them to shoots. Being that I've been through the police academy and have taken lots of tactical firearms training this gave me the edge to anticipate their moves. As a result that shot was only a 2 frame shot from a camera that can haul ass at 8fps but since I know their movements I can predict when one would shoot to eliminate the target and capture the target as it falls.

The second one I had to move more quickly as the operator was in "stalking" mode. Since it was in very low light and foggy condition I had to move into a position that would give me better lighting advantage. I went ahead of the operator, got close, and went down on my knees. I instictively went for an angled shot where two dimly lit ceiling light was glowing from the fog creating a silhouette effect thus naming the photo, "ghost".
 
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Fair enough- as professionals we all have to decide on what techniques and gear we'll rely on to keep our bank accounts in the black. For me, I've wasted more shooting opportunities relying on the auto shutter than I've ever benefitted from it.
 
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