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Do you need a gun while driving in Oakland?

Actually, you can legally still carry onto that private property, signed or not, but if the owner finds out he can legally ask you to leave as well. Refuse and now you're trespassing. Andy - got more time now?
 
RRR70 said:
What I see with most anti-gun people is that they are projecting their own insecurities and fear of the inanimate object onto other people. They are afraid of what they may do with the gun and think that the rest of us are the same way.
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What i see of them is that they are projecting their own insecurity and fear of an extremely powerful inanimate object in the hands of criminals as well as angry law abiding people ready to return fire. 'Friendly' fire.

Keep em where they belong. Home, protecting your castle.

*sorry, unless you're hunting four legged animals..
 
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asthmodeus said:
What i see of them is that they are projecting their own insecurity and fear of an extremely powerful inanimate object in the hands of criminals as well as angry law abiding people ready to return fire. 'Friendly' fire.

Keep em where they belong. Home, protecting your castle.

*sorry, unless you're hunting four legged animals..
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Angry? Where did this came from? Projecting your own insecurities much?
 
asthmodeus said:
Mirror. Get one.
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Not sure what you mean. I'm not angry, just a bit grumpy some of the time. I have a gun with me most of the time. Didn't shoot anyone. Do you think there is something wrong with me, because I haven't shoot anyone? Do you think I should seek medical attention to facilitate shooting someone? Because otherwise I don't fit into your stereotype.
 
RRR70 said:
Not sure what you mean. I'm not angry, just a bit grumpy some of the time. I have a gun with me most of the time. Didn't shoot anyone. Do you think there is something wrong with me, because I haven't shoot anyone? Do you think I should seek medical attention to facilitate shooting someone? Because otherwise I don't fit into your stereotype.
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You were speaking generally about what you think 'anti gun' people fear...i was speaking generally about what i think 'anti gun' people fear. You then made it about you. Why do you think that is?
 
NorCalAthlete said:
Here's the problem with requiring X amount of training - cost. It's going to cost more money to get proper instructors, more money to keep them working longer hours, more money to the shooter to pay for said instruction, more money for ammo, more money for the simple cost of getting to a place where they actually are willing to teach the course, etc. While I'm not against the idea, I don't see several weekends of training being even remotely feasible.

I truly do not understand why people think only police and military should have guns. Police training is on par with military training in regards to firearms. The only real difference between a soldier/LEO with a gun and a civilian with a gun is training in conflict resolution/stress management, which is far from impossible to obtain/train yourself in.
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I'm not arguing against gun ownership. I think you should be able to defend yourself at home.

But most murders are with handguns, and walking around with one is how it starts.

And btw, I think it is impossible to a CCW now. Very difficult would be a big improvement.
 
How bout we just have gun dispensers when you enter Oakland. Everyone gets one mag. There can be a sign that says "Game on."
 
sanjuro said:
I'm not arguing against gun ownership. I think you should be able to defend yourself at home.

But most murders are with handguns, and walking around with one is how it starts.

And btw, I think it is impossible to a CCW now. Very difficult would be a big improvement.
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Most crime doesn't happen at home. So why restrict someone's ability to defend themselves solely to their residence? I would say walking around with one illegally is how it starts. Most murders committed by people walking around with guns have nothing to do with anything legal.
 
NorCalAthlete said:
Most crime doesn't happen at home. So why restrict someone's ability to defend themselves solely to their residence? I would say walking around with one illegally is how it starts. Most murders committed by people walking around with guns have nothing to do with anything legal.
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You don't understand, man. If you walk out of your home with a gun, you only do it because you want to kill someone, man.
 
I was hoping not to have to parse each question out of the wall of text, but here goes:

NorCalAthlete said:
Would you think it equally presumptuous for someone to carry the same knife they have on them every day into your home?
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I think I answered this one; no problem with a knife, which is a broadly useful tool.


NorCalAthlete said:
You find out he's carried into your home before and you never knew because nothing ever happened and life moved on, but now that you know you treat him as a hostile intruder?
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This is pretty hypothetical, as most of my friends aren't really into guns. A lot of the time, it would be pretty hard for them to carry without it being evident, so let's not suggest they may be carrying without my knowledge.

With friends who are more recent or not as familiar to me, it's a possibility and generally, yes, if I discover they have brought a gun into my home without asking, I would tell them to leave.


NorCalAthlete said:
I would venture that they probably feel perfectly safe at your house without their gun, but if they carry would you prefer they leave it in their car when they arrive? What about the trip to and from your house? What was the first post in this thread? Most people don't have safes built into their car, and a locked bag is still easy enough to steal if someone chooses. Would you prefer they open that possibility up? Or simply keep it on their hip/back/shoulder/wherever, out of sight and out of mind, and if you didn't ask you'd never know they're carrying? Let life continue as normal?
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None of this is my concern. If a friend is coming for a visit, doesn't want to leave home without a gun and finds it problematic to secure the gun off my property, the visit is probably more trouble than it's worth. Their call; I have enough other friends.


NorCalAthlete said:
As I said - it's your prerogative, but give this some thought. No need to throw away a friendship simply because you find out something about that person you dislike. Be a little tolerant of all aspects of your friends lives. They're your friends for a reason right?
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Secretly bringing a weapon into my home when they know I don't want it there goes quite a bit beyond being "something about the person I dislike." Were this to happen, it wouldn't be me who had decided the throw the friendship away.
 
NorCalAthlete said:
Most crime doesn't happen at home. So why restrict someone's ability to defend themselves solely to their residence? I would say walking around with one illegally is how it starts. Most murders committed by people walking around with guns have nothing to do with anything legal.
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I'm not trying to make it more difficult. No one can get a CCW now.

Have a process which we all can apply to, make it challenging, and when you successfully complete the program, you have a carry permit.

Or we can hope that California will institute an "anyone can carry" law one day. I'm sure Calguns is just this far away from convincing Jerry Brown.
 
sanjuro said:
No one can get a CCW now.
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Not true. It is up to the Sheriff in the county you live in.
Some of the more rural counties give CCW permits to just about all that qualify.
However, I agree that you don't have much of a chance in any of the bay area counties.
Also, the CCW permit is good when you travel from your home county to any county in California.
 
ever notice that the hoplophobic and homophobic arguments petty much boil down to the same thing: "I don't like it therefore you can't have it/be it/do it!"

even the justifications: biased reporting, philosophical (religious) belief, fear or "discomfort" (usually based on the first two) and an overblown sense of "this affects ME!"
 
Yes, but I didn't want to make the comparison between coming out of the closet to a friend and them finding out you carry a concealed firearm. I tried to hint at it a little more subtly. Since you brought it up though...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/04/22/gay-marriage-gun-control-column/2100971/

...the opposition to private gun ownership looks more and more like traditional anti-gay sentiment: not a reason-based policy, but something growing out of prejudice.
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Let's see...don't bring it to my house, you can do it but only in your home, keep it away from the children/public eye. :dunno
 
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