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Ev trucks - 2022+

Honestly, i want it to be true! :laughing

And I dont think its an unreasonable claim. Time will only tell.
 
I'm actually really impressed by that Rivian.

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Don't Buy A Tesla Powerwall, Buy A Truck!

Engineering Explained
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The Ford F-150 Lightning can serve as a backup energy source for powering your home, what Ford's calling "Ford Intelligent Backup Power." This means you can use the F-150's 98 kWh, or the extended battery pack's 131 kWh, to power the devices in your home when your local power utilities aren't working. It's a huge benefit of having an electric vehicle, and surprisingly, it's priced cheaper (per kWh) than a Tesla Powerwall.

We'll analyze Ford's solution, Tesla solar, propane home generators, and devices like Wallbox that will eventually offer Vehicle-to-Home charging. Props to Ford for creating a very useful, clever solution to a real problem.
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TL;DR: To get 98kWh available in the Ford Lighting, you need to buy 7 Tesla Powerwalls at a cost of $7,500 each (all pricing without incentives), which costs more than the truck.

First part:
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Here are screenshots of the rest for TL;DR folks...
The $74,169 price below is for the extended battery pack of 131 kWh.

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Dilbert does the best reviews

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Get your 80 amp EVSE!!!! (AKA charger, but its not a charger)
 
yodaisgod said:
Don't Buy A Tesla Powerwall, Buy A Truck!

Engineering Explained
[youtube]ATAFIoXTEe8[/youtube]



TL;DR: To get 98kWh available in the Ford Lighting, you need to buy 7 Tesla Powerwalls at a cost of $7,500 each (all pricing without incentives), which costs more than the truck.

First part:
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Here are screenshots of the rest for TL;DR folks...
The $74,169 price below is for the extended battery pack of 131 kWh.

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rBniF1.jpg


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Power goes out, I use my Ford truck to power my house. 24 hours later my truck wont start and the power is still out so now I can't charge it.

Possible, yes.
 
If you watch the vid, it says the truck disallows itself to run out of power.

Edit -...when used as power for you house/tools etc
 
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^^^ I think Engineering Explained got the price of the F150 Lightining Pro price wrong.

I think it should be ~$53K and the fleet truck is $42K. I may be wrong, but I think Ford has done a little bit of salesman trickery.

The dealers are marking up the truck also. It's typical that the price inflates by the time consumers buy it.
 
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Does anyone have a link to the Wallbox in Engineering Explained video? Would like to understand more about how it works.
 
yodaisgod said:
https://wallbox.com/en_us/
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I see, the Wallbox Quasar has "Bidirectional Technology" for powering the home. That's sexy.


"Up to 7.4kW of power for charging or discharging". I was expecting a little more power for the home and the Truck. That is only 32 amps and the Lightning can charge at a rate of 80 amps.

Engineering Explained called this hardware a "charger", which is very common, but a bit of a misnomer. The charging hardware, the boxes that change AC to DC and control the battery, voltage, charging, ect. are in the Truck.

The more correct term is EVSE, Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment, and the are basically a extention cord with saftey features built in.

For EVSEs, AC power goes in and AC power goes out. Voltage is the same. And that is why its just a saftey extention cord. Now some companies have charged a lot of money for these and added a lot of features. Lots of fluff. In many cases the car/truck can handel the fluffy features - charge timing, rate, phone connectivity, ect.


The exception to this is DC Fast Charging.
 
Killroy1999 said:
I see, the Wallbox Quasar has "Bidirectional Technology" for powering the home. That's sexy.


"Up to 7.4kW of power for charging or discharging". I was expecting a little more power for the home and the Truck. That is only 32 amps and the Lightning can charge at a rate of 80 amps.

Engineering Explained called this hardware a "charger", which is very common, but a bit of a misnomer. The charging hardware, the boxes that change AC to DC and control the battery, voltage, charging, ect. are in the Truck.

The more correct term is EVSE, Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment, and the are basically a extention cord with saftey features built in.

For EVSEs, AC power goes in and AC power goes out. Voltage is the same. And that is why its just a saftey extention cord. Now some companies have charged a lot of money for these and added a lot of features. Lots of fluff. In many cases the car/truck can handel the fluffy features - charge timing, rate, phone connectivity, ect.


The exception to this is DC Fast Charging.
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It says right there on their website the Quasar is for Chademo and DC.

Lightning outputs AC, or am I wrong? It's definitely not Chademo.

Also after a quick Google search it appears the Quasar is most likely vaporware.
 
Killroy1999 said:
^^^ I think Engineering Explained got the price of the F150 Lightining Pro price wrong.

I think it should be ~$53K and the fleet truck is $42K. I may be wrong, but I think Ford has done a little bit of salesman trickery.

The dealers are marking up the truck also. It's typical that the price inflates by the time consumers buy it.
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No, while the 'pro' model is intended for commercial purposes, and is pretty bare bones in terms of equipment, anyone can buy one. It's only the 'pro' with the larger battery that is limited to fleets.

that being said, dealers are absolutely trying to take advantage.
 
Tesla Powerwall is a little overpriced. Also, it's actually 13.5kwh, not 14. Lots of people that put together their own systems really like these, which three of them would provide more than 15kwh for $4500, or 97kwh for $28,500, or 133kwh for $39,000. Average home uses about 30kwh/day and the general rule is to battery for 3x, though it tends to be a little overkill for most. Odds are you could battery for 2x just fine, especially if you're at all conscious about usage and go a little stronger on panels.
 
mrzuzzo said:
It says right there on their website the Quasar is for Chademo and DC.

Lightning outputs AC, or am I wrong? It's definitely not Chademo.

Also after a quick Google search it appears the Quasar is most likely vaporware.
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Oh, I missed that. It says that its actually a DC charger - a weak one. It would e sad if its vaporware.

Chademo is dieing off, I thought.

Yeah, I thought Lightning outputed AC like all the home wall outlets it has for power tools.
 
Yeah, it would have to be some sort of EVSE that is also able to go in reverse. I'm not sure that exists, or at least I haven't found it. Or, you could just use it as a generator but then the utility is nowhere close to an actual backup battery.

All this V2G stuff is interesting but also not very clear on how to make it work.
 
Rivian might have spoiled a lot of the good will that they built up, and lost a lot of customers.


https://electrek.co/2022/03/02/rivian-buyers-canceling-alarming-rate-after-price-increases/

Up to a 20% price hike on what was already a pretty expensive vehicle is ridiculous, and it's not too surprising that a lot of potential buyers with preorders are rethinking their decision. The stock price dropped 12% with this announcement and EV stocks including Rivian have already not been doing great over the last few months.
 
Well, I don't know. But they likely "had to do something".

"Everything" is more expensive right now, and these prices are, essentially, 4 years old.

No doubt there's a lot of upset people, but I don't know if its going to crater the good will. Only thing that would do that is if they ship a buggy product.

Now, all that said, couple weeks ago I saw my first Rivian in the wild.

I'll mention the caveat that I was less than 5 miles away from the Irvine HQ, so, not sure how "wild" the sighting was. But there it was, just driving down the freeway.
 
berth said:
Well, I don't know. But they likely "had to do something".

"Everything" is more expensive right now, and these prices are, essentially, 4 years old.

No doubt there's a lot of upset people, but I don't know if its going to crater the good will. Only thing that would do that is if they ship a buggy product.

Now, all that said, couple weeks ago I saw my first Rivian in the wild.

I'll mention the caveat that I was less than 5 miles away from the Irvine HQ, so, not sure how "wild" the sighting was. But there it was, just driving down the freeway.
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The first Rivian I saw in the wild was on the back of a flatbed tow truck.
 
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