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FINALLY - Lane Sharing is supported in CA

Reli said:
Using the bicycle lane is illegal AFAIK.

But filtering up to the light isn't. I don't see how it makes a difference whether there's 1 lane or 2.
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I completely understand the temptation, but using the bicycle lane is idiotic. Never split/filter where motorists and pedestrians would never expect you. Never split between moving cars and parked cars. You're invisible enough as it is. Even bicyclists get "doored" by parked cars. Add a motorcycle's speed and weight to that and it's a big deal.
 
Now that we have gotten this far:

What would it take to have a big "LANE SHARING IS LEGAL :WATCH FOR MOTORCYCLES" sign at every California entry point?
 
ThumperX said:
Now that we have gotten this far:

What would it take to have a big "LANE SHARING IS LEGAL :WATCH FOR MOTORCYCLES" sign at every California entry point?
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Rental car companies could do it. Imagine the hundreds of drivers that would learn that everyday.
 
InNoHurry said:
Rental car companies could do it. Imagine the hundreds of drivers that would ignore that everyday.
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FTFY.

Sorry, I don't see that one having any effect. Roadside Ambers, yeah. Newspaper articles, radio (especially during drive-time), probably more.

Advertising costs money, so who's going to pay? Insurance companies are most likely, followed by government doing PSAs.
 
Cincinnatus said:
Sorry, I don't see that one having any effect.
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Your opinion is noted but unwise. Some renters will remember, some won't. If one driver remembers, it's an infinite return, given it's a free investment. I rent cars 1-2 times month. If the rental clerk says "avoid 610 because of construction delays", I'll remember that. It's an all-of-the-above solution.
 
Is wiki a bit outdated on lane sharing in California?

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pannayar said:
Is wiki a bit outdated on lane sharing in California?

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Kornholio said:
It's not illegal. Wiki is user edited so you're welcome to fix it.
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Pannayar, don't look at Wikipedia for reliable information on this. Look at the CHP guidelines, LaneSplittingIsLegal.com, Laneshare.org, the AMA's state by state laws page, or even look at vehicle code by state.

We keep saying "not illegal" and "gray area." This splitting of hairs is ridiculous. That which isn't prohibited by law is legal. Things that aren't illegal are legal, therefore lane splitting is legal in California.

We need to stop saying it this way—the media and opponents of lane splitting love to grab on to this "it's not legal, but a gray area" as if we're sneaking something by the law. Is eating pizza legal? How about watching TV? Left turns? Right turns? Yeah—exactly. There's nothing in the vehicle code or any existing law that prohibits lane sharing / splitting / filtering, so it's legal.
 
:applause
Thank you Monkeyneck
 
Yes I know wiki is public edited... I was just pointing out that wiki which is generally kept up to date so fast by the world seems to be lagging behind on this one...
 
pannayar said:
Yes I know wiki is public edited... I was just pointing out that wiki which is generally kept up to date so fast by the world seems to be lagging behind on this one...
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There are tons of pieces of that article that are out of date, for example it has the 2012 lane sharing survey, not the 2013 data. It also says "California has no laws explicitly prohibiting lane splitting, and is the only U.S. state in which it is officially stated that lane splitting, when done safely, is legal." and says splitting is legal in CA in other places.

Not sure I agree with Wikipedia being kept up to date quickly by the world. On some things, sure. But one should never take Wikipedia at face value without verification. It's a good resource, but often quite unreliable.
 
pannayar said:
Yes I know wiki is public edited... I was just pointing out that wiki which is generally kept up to date so fast by the world seems to be lagging behind on this one...
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No, it's was just last edited by a hater or by a non-rider. :laughing
 
"nearly half of California drivers were unaware that lane splitting is a legally tolerated practice in the Golden State"

Probably because 1/2 of these drivers aren't local, I bet. I remember the earthquake awhile back and talking to people in the parking lot (Target / Cupertino). One guy from Kentucky another from another state and so on an so forth. If it's taking this long for people to wake up in cali, I can't even begin to imagine if I'd even be alive when they realize it up in hee-yah.

Gonna be a long time before those weird Oregonians even think of considering that law. You should see the under ramp intersections (oh wait, that's washington state, nevermind). Just begging for a head-on.

Someone's always gotta be different.
 
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I talk to the International ZRX crew, mostly around the USA.

You'd be amazed how some of them answer to things regarding lane sharing.
"If I see someone doing that, I'd open my door, I'd squeeze them, etc."
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& this is coming from other motorcyclists. 180' about for European's who view it as an essential part of riding in their country...
 
RD400man said:
"nearly half of California drivers were unaware that lane splitting is a legally tolerated practice in the Golden State"

Probably because 1/2 of these drivers aren't local, I bet. I remember the earthquake awhile back and talking to people in the parking lot (Target / Cupertino). One guy from Kentucky another from another state and so on an so forth. If it's taking this long for people to wake up in cali, I can't even begin to imagine if I'd even be alive when they realize it up in hee-yah.
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There's nothing in the published methodology about having a CA license, which would clarify this. However, I doubt that random surveys would consistently see 50% non-CA drivers, except in specific locations like tourist areas, gas stations right along freeways near the border, etc. In practice, lots of drivers I talk to who are long-time CA residents respond with "That's actually legal!?" when I tell them about the site I work on. Anyway, you can read the entire 2013 California Lane Sharing Survey and methodology here.

RD400man said:
Gonna be a long time before those weird Oregonians even think of considering that law.
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Not sure if you know this, but there were TWO bills to legalize splitting in Oregon this year. Neither was successful, but still—folks are trying.

Since I'm posting in this thread, I'll mention that Senator Jim Beall says he won't seek action on SB350 in 2014, in case anyone didn't see the other thread and since this is one of the main lane splitting threads here on the BARFs.
 
Pont said:
I completely understand the temptation, but using the bicycle lane is idiotic. Never split/filter where motorists and pedestrians would never expect you. Never split between moving cars and parked cars. You're invisible enough as it is. Even bicyclists get "doored" by parked cars. Add a motorcycle's speed and weight to that and it's a big deal.
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I wasn't talking about using the bicycle lane, I was talking about splitting up to the stoplight on a road where there's only one lane in each direction. Some riders seem to think that splitting is only OK when there's more than one lane -- I disagree. As long as there's enough room to do it without crossing any lines, I don't see the problem.
 
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