"Four Corners" In two locations?

[Aluisious]

If you type Saratoga Gap into Google maps it shoes 9 and 35.

Sounds more descriptive than 4 corners, too. Bonus points for squids who hear a ride is meeting at the Saratoga Gap and spend an hour trying to find a clothing store in the village.

 

[roytmani]

Ilya,

I'm beyond "old school", pops lived in Boulder Creek during the depression. And I was being facetious in my rendition regarding the quoted squid's math (wasn't my statement) and directional skills. We need a tonuge-in-cheek smiley.

But I agree with you regarding the BARF convention of relegating STP/Alice's to one intersection and 4Corners to 9/35. "Hot Dog Stand" connotes something far more insidious and would be open to rampant ridicule.

I just adjust my dialect to reflect the audience. BARF = 9/35 = Four Corners

Bill, I meant old school as a compliment

Before Alice's was built I could see how that intersection would be referred to as 4 corners. Since then we've got a landmark (world famous one I might add) to refer to.

4 Corners fits the 9/35 intersection well. There's a perfect intersection going N E S W and there's no other fixed landmark there. Mr. Mustard doesn't count. He's been there for years, but he's not fixed. That's like using an orange cone as a reference point at a racetrack. Next time out the cone's been moved and you're screwed.

 

[Marlowe]

I kinda dig just using Saratoga Gap. Has a long history:

"Saratoga Gap A natural saddle at the crest (2,634 feet) of the Santa Cruz Mountains at the intersection of Skyline Boulevard and Big Basin Highway. "
-- "Santa Cruz County place names: a geographical dictionary" (1986)

"State 5 drops by well-engineered grades to a junction, at 14.2 m., with La
Honda Road, on which the route goes R. ; L. here on State 5 to Saratoga Gap,
at the junction with State 9, 13.9 m. (see below).

The route goes R. on La Honda Road through dense firs and redwoods into
the deep canyon of La Honda Creek. LA HONDA (the deep), 20 m. (403 alt.,
150 pop.) (hotel, cabins, campgrounds], was founded in 1861 by John L. Sears
of Searsville. The LA HONDA STORE was built for Sears by Jim and Bob
Younger, who a little later were arrested as members of the Jesse James gang."

-- San Francisco: The Bay and Its Cities (1940)

"The route that became LRN 42 was first defined in 1913 by Chapter 398, which called for "the survey and construction of a state highway from the point known as Saratoga Gap on the line between the counties of Santa Clara and Santa Cruz, extending thence by the practicable route in a generally SW-ly direction along the ridge between the San Lorenzo and Pescadero creeks to the present boundary of the California State Redwoods Park, thence into the California State Redwoods Park in Santa Cruz County to Governor's Camp, and thence through said park to the boundary thereof at Bloom's Mill."

-- http://www.cahighways.org/041-048.html

 

[Hooli]

Never heard it called that. Besides, what would be the point? There's no place there to really congregate- may as well go the rest of the way up to the Wall and meet there...

"4 Corners" is 9/35.

In this case, "4 corners" does not necessarily define a congregation spot. Perhaps I should have clarified that the one here in the East Bay is merely an intersection?

 

[ST Guy]

It's always been up at Alices. It was known as Alices or 4 Corners. 9 and 35 is just a whistle stop, hardly worthy of mention. And the only reason people started calling it 4 Corners is ignorance of the original.

(Young kids, nowadays.....grumble, grumble........)

 

[redwood650]

84/35. Even my parents that rode these roads years ago called 84/35 4 corners. Hell, my grandma lives in la honda and she refers it to 4 corners

 

[WHOisDAN]

I call 9/35 four corners.

 

[Mechanikrazy]

Young'un, and I've always called 4 corners as Alice's.

I didn't even know 9 and 35 had a name until this thread. I just referred to it as "that parking lot" or "where the hot dog stand is"

 

[Genja Sv1K!]

From "California Travels" website:

The area was called Four Corners. In the 1950’s it became a restaurant. Alice Taylor bought it in the 1960’s and named it after herself and the Arlo Guthrie song. It has been a favorite stop for bikers, cyclists and hikers for many years. Alice’s Restaurant and adjacent buildings were bought in the 1970’s and has been family run ever since.

Another nail in the coffin corner.

Hey Bill, old school is quite a fast 1 on the sportster! The poll seems to outwit your references =)

 

[mosquito]

Could just show that most of the responders are younger too.

 

[BillSmith]

It's BARF!

I'd expect the poll to reflect the venue. All this old school talk, I better go measure my teeth.

 

[wickedtl]

84/35 is "4 corners" to me. Many people (mostly younger) mistakenly refer to 9/35 as "4 corners", but IMO they are wrong. Maybe I just learned to ride (15 years ago) with too many old timers.

 

[canyonrat]

I learned that 9/35 was "four corners" about 12 years ago. But it sucks big time in comparison to the "bridge" at Skaggs.

 

[Wack]

"84/35 is "4 corners" to me. Many people (mostly younger) mistakenly refer to 9/35 as "4 corners", but IMO they are wrong. Maybe I just learned to ride (15 years ago) with too many old timers. "

The confusion stems from the fact that STP/Alices used to be called 4 corners BITD. Younger riders began calling 9/35 4 Corners several years ago and that seems to have stuck.

If your going to meet a group at 4 Corners always add the hiway numbers or someone will be pissed sitting at the wrong intersection.

 

[ScottRNelson]

If your going to meet a group at 4 Corners always add the hiway numbers or someone will be pissed sitting at the wrong intersection.

I'll meet you at four corners - on highway 35.

 

[Mike T]

voted for 9 & 35

 

[TrplGrl]

I've lived on the SF peninsula for all but two of my 56 years. The 35/84 junction is FOUR CORNERS. Much to my surprise, when I got back into riding, I find there is a global wobble that seems to be caused by the gyro-forces spun off from BARF squids and lo' n' behold, some now call the 35/9 intersection "Four corners".

Well, OK, if ya want to do that. But Yana has it correct.

As an "old timer" who's been riding the Santa Cruz mountains since the late 80's, 84/35 was ALWAYS known as "4 Corners". Until I joined teh BARF and was "re-educated" by the young-uns.

 

[tuxumino]

four corners = nascar track

 

[planegray]

It's clear we need some help resolving this issue, how about;

we call the 9/35 folks the "Hatfields"

and the 84/35 people the "McCoys"

Then we'll settle this proper....up in the hills

 

[Ant]

It's clear we need some help resolving this issue, how about;

we call the 9/35 folks the "Hatfields"

and the 84/35 people the "McCoys"

Then we'll settle this proper....up in the hills

Good idea.

Lets all meet at 4 corners