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It's hot today in the bay area, but one time when I was in Iraq it was 125 degrees so you people have no fucking idea what it's like to be hot so shut the fuck up about sweating.
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Freeway Protests and Solution? Is there?
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Quite true.
I was in Guatemala in 1993 during the "Serranazo" coup. Tanks on every street corner. Americans are ignorant of any sort of real oppression.
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What he was trying to say is that the feeling these people got of being unsafe in their own car is a peek into the feeling that black Americans feel while just driving around every day. Especially if they're driving a nice car or driving around a mostly white neighborhood.
Many black mothers worry about their black sons not coming home, not because they did something wrong but simply because they were DWB (Driving White Black).
So, one experience of being scared is not a dissimilar emotion to never knowing when you'll be pulled over simply because of your skin color and not knowing how it will end, regardless of what you do.
Quite true.
I was in Guatemala in 1993 during the "Serranazo" coup. Tanks on every street corner. Americans are ignorant of any sort of real oppression.
Agree with you two, that Floyd guy was kind of a pussy.
Unless of course....Floyd wasn't an real American..?
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Quite true.
I was in Guatemala in 1993 during the "Serranazo" coup. Tanks on every street corner. Americans are ignorant of any sort of real oppression.
Is it your position that one must wait until there are tanks on every corner before one is allowed to call it oppression?
How many tanks, if not one on every corner, is the point at which it becomes oppressive?
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Oppressive nation.
I don't know. That's kinda what I hear reading barf sometimes. People are upset about police getting free equipment from the military. Equipment is the problem.
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You've never been to Guatemala, have you?
Guatemala is oppressive at all times, but special circumstances in 1993.
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From an article in the Wall Street Journal:
I would provide a link, but there is a paywall.
In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population.
The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.
FWIW
I would provide a link, but there is a paywall.
In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population.
The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.
FWIW
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Oppressive nation.
I don't know. That's kinda what I hear reading barf sometimes. People are upset about police getting free equipment from the military. Equipment is the problem.
To some, it's absolutely oppressive.
To be perfectly clear: I not only don't condone, but I actually...antidone? undone? notdone?...I strongly disagree with blocking traffic, especia-damn-lly on the freeway.
I'm also vehemently against school shootings as well, just to get that on record.
But yes the militarization of police sends a very strong signal that is an "us vs them" mentality.
If you're making blatant statements and actions that would lead some to believe you're longing to be a dictator and you use tools of war to keep your people where they belong, it feels a teeny tiny bit like it could maybe possibly be compared to the very lightest application of the beginnings of a fascist regime, if that's acceptable to anyone that's ever experienced REAL FASCISM AND TANKS.
Oppressive nation.
I don't know. That's kinda what I hear reading barf sometimes. People are upset about police getting free equipment from the military. Equipment is the problem.
Well I screwed up when I said "the problem", because there is no "the" problem. But it is kinda funny that someone from a communist nation comes in here and tells someone they don't know what an oppressive nation is when that person just watched the state murder someone and the only reason they were arrested is because it's on video. We can't even begin to fathom what life has been like before cameras were so prevalent. This isn't a new problem, this is a loooooong existing problem that's being exposed and those being exposed don't like it. They say shit like you don't know what an oppressive nation is, as if to imply that witnessing murders isn't enough, because you're just a bitch witness to an event that doesn't even know what you're seeing, like a cupcake and a murder are virtually indistinguishable due to your lack of understanding. Now if you were murdered yourself, then you have the right to complain. Good thing we never saw that mentality in communist nations, thanks for bringing it with you.
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You've never been to Guatemala, have you?
Guatemala is oppressive at all times, but special circumstances in 1993.
Any chance you can answer my question? Thanks, I appreciate it.
Just pick someplace you've been that sucks and be demeaning about it, "something something safe in your little kkk tweekerville of goddamn Burney while I'm down here in Oakdog stabbin fools just to make it to work every morning".
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From an article in the Wall Street Journal:
I would provide a link, but there is a paywall.
In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population.
The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.
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Those damn stats get in the way of a good old fashioned agenda. I’ve brought this stuff up before. The problems are much more complex than the police. The police are merely the visible enforcement arm of the government in reacting to the societal problems.
The stats you posted seem to indicate that, given violent crime ratios, police are less likely to use deadly force against black offenders.
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See post 89. Maybe you didn’t understand it.
Based on your seeming ignorance you never have been to Guatemala, and likely nowhere else.
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More ignorance. I not only have been to Guatemala, I married a girl from there.
You’re quite sad, really.
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See post 89. Maybe you didn’t understand it.
Based on your seeming ignorance you never have been to Guatemala, and likely nowhere else.
Nice, a personal attack coupled with a baseless assumption of my travel history because we have differing views.
And still no answer to the questions, juts shit-stirring.
Glad you're making such solid contributions to the discussion.
More ignorance. I not only have been to Guatemala, I married a girl from there.
You’re quite sad, really.
So you're saying you have a black friend?