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Give me your Revolver suggestions
- Thread starter RightCoastBias
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LongGoneJohn
Gone
You'd need to check and see if the particular handgun you want is on the California Safe Handguns Roster list for sale.
If not, you need to find it used and you need to purchase it within about the next month and a half or you risk the chance of the new, stupid, bill being signed by the governor which will prevent you from being able to buy an "unsafe or prototype handgun" from a private party.
Yes, they really call them "unsafe or prototype" handguns if the manufacturer doesn't send them guns to test and pay a yearly fee to continue to sell them in the state.
If not, you need to find it used and you need to purchase it within about the next month and a half or you risk the chance of the new, stupid, bill being signed by the governor which will prevent you from being able to buy an "unsafe or prototype handgun" from a private party.
Yes, they really call them "unsafe or prototype" handguns if the manufacturer doesn't send them guns to test and pay a yearly fee to continue to sell them in the state.
I wonder if the manufacturers have considered suing the state for the obvious defamation here.
LongGoneJohn
Gone
I wonder if the manufacturers have considered suing the state for the obvious defamation here.
Personally I don't see how requiring them to pay the fee each year, or every 5 years, is lawful -- if the gun hasn't changed.
Go look at the "recently removed" list. Virtually every single Sig Sauer P22x is on the list. They were safe a month ago, but now? Nope! Not Safe! GET RID OF IT!
So as a citizen, you own one; The manufacturer goes out of business or stops paying their extortion fee to the State of California, and now YOU can't sell YOUR property to another LAWFUL citizen?
How that shit flies is just fucking beyond me.
Hell, a 4th gen GLOCK is considered an unsafe prototype handgun in this state. No joke.
TBH I'm sort of hoping your latest round of gun grabbing is enough to convince the manufacturers that they can live without the state of California's business.
It'd be really nice if they quit selling, or servicing, any arms going to the state or any political subdivision thereof.
It'd be really nice if they quit selling, or servicing, any arms going to the state or any political subdivision thereof.
LongGoneJohn
Gone
I think all the laws should apply to everyone. Law enforcement included.
We're all fighting the same bad guys...
We're all fighting the same bad guys...
That'd work too, I know some companies have new policies where they don't sell anything in the state that isn't legal for civilian sale.
I'd be okay with that.
You can have an AR in the trunk you have to completely disassemble every time you need to reload.
I'd be okay with that.
You can have an AR in the trunk you have to completely disassemble every time you need to reload.
LongGoneJohn
Gone
Exactly.
I'm good with it
I'm good with it
I might get some flak for this, but I've had nothing but good accurate shooting with my Taurus Tracker. It's got a great grip, it's built really sturdy and I can shoot .357 all day thanks to the full barrel lug and porting. 7 shots, and a lifetime warranty that follows the gun and it's well within your price range.
Speaking of .357, I was in a gun shop this last weekend where a box of 50 Blazer brass was marked for $99. So there's that to consider, too.
Speaking of .357, I was in a gun shop this last weekend where a box of 50 Blazer brass was marked for $99. So there's that to consider, too.
RightCoastBias
F8TRED
Ahhh shit, I forgot about the list. I don't think I can bring it in because it doesn't have the mag "safety" disconnect. I thought, though, it didn't have to meet that requirement to own it in CA, but you can't sell it in CA if it didn't have it.
So could I buy an out of state pistol without the mag disconnect from a private party, or would I be importing illegal firearms?
So could I buy an out of state pistol without the mag disconnect from a private party, or would I be importing illegal firearms?
Actually, your problem is whether or not it's on the list.
It has to have that feature, as a model, to have the state certify it.
Unless you're an FFL you can't buy a new pistol from out of state. That violates the GCA. Also violates the GCA for them to sell you anything that wouldn't be legal for you at home (in the case of long guns.) Violates state law for an FFL to transfer you something off the list, and pistols must go through an FFL, even if C&R in CA.
Now, you could have imported anything with your personal property that would be otherwise legal to possess, when you moved.
As for selling it, at least for now, you can transfer something not on the list just fine, to another private party. Can't be sold new.
EDIT: I think this more or less covers it, Roman can give you more details.
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LongGoneJohn
Gone
If you already own the pistol *before* you live in California, you can bring it.
If you left property in the state where you lived prior, and are just finally getting around to bringing it to the State of California, you can import it. You will need to send in a handgun registration form to the DOJ in either of these two options.
If you can find someone in the State of California who has one (a private party, not a dealer), you can buy it from them through the private party transfer exemption to the "Safe roster." This will likely change Jan. 1, 2014.
If you already live in the State of California, you cannot go out of state to "buy a gun and import it."
If you left property in the state where you lived prior, and are just finally getting around to bringing it to the State of California, you can import it. You will need to send in a handgun registration form to the DOJ in either of these two options.
If you can find someone in the State of California who has one (a private party, not a dealer), you can buy it from them through the private party transfer exemption to the "Safe roster." This will likely change Jan. 1, 2014.
If you already live in the State of California, you cannot go out of state to "buy a gun and import it."
RightCoastBias
F8TRED
I talked to a guy at work who had an FFL and he said I can get my pistol back via an inter-family transfer, through an FFL. Apparently there is an exemption box they can check on the DOJ paperwork.
LongGoneJohn
Gone
An intra-familial transfer doesn't even require an FFL, so it already sounds like the guy at work doesn't know what he's talking about.
RightCoastBias
F8TRED
Well, the pistol would be coming from out of state. I think that's where the DOJ and Feds come in.
LongGoneJohn
Gone
If your family wants to give you a pistol, they can give you a pistol. You can then move to the State of California and report that as your property that you're bringing to the State.
They can't ship you a pistol, if you already live here. So yeah, you'd need an FFL for that. I wasn't aware the family exception to the safe roster rule would work unless it was face to face, for some reason I thought the safe roster thing only worked in private property - face to face - transfers at a dealer. Admittingly, there are so many damn laws about this kind of shit I could be wrong; It won't be the first time.
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RightCoastBias
F8TRED
He's actually still current on his FFL and runs a side business selling reload materials.
He seems to know his stuff and says he did this for a mother who wanted to gift her son a pistol. He lived in CA and she in Nevada. So, if I go the route of asking my brother to gift me my old pistol, I guess i'll find out.
HappyHighwayman
It's all in the reflexes
One of those that shoots shotgun shells.
RightCoastBias
F8TRED
haha, the Tarus Judge or the S&W Govenor. No on both counts. I've head they are illegal in CA and need to have the rifling removed to be legal. regardless, those guns are retarded and good for shooting snakes and that's about it.
I've got a real shotgun for larger problems.