Gun Owners who Wear their Guns at Home?

[RightCoastBias]

Aren't we motivated to wear proper riding gear by the fear or injury?

Fear is rational. Without it we'd all be doing 130 mph wheelies through downtown SF traffic.

Fear keeps you alive.

I see nothing wrong with fear and it being a motivator for carrying a firearm.

 

[MysterYvil]

I know this isn't how you intended it, but that statement can be applied to carrying in the home if one is doing so just in case someone breaks in.

The friction point between people is in how likely that is to happen and how much that likelihood influences the decision to carry at home. In my own experience, taking into account where I live, the layout of my home, our practices around keeping doors locked, etc., the likelihood of someone bursting in with a gun drawn is so unlikely I'd say it's implausible or bizarre.

I guess it depends upon one's experiences.

I've had my front door burst in once (in a "safe" and bucolic suburb of Chicago), and have sat there, on the line for 20+ minutes with SFPD in the Inner Richmond, in the company of four frightened women, while gang members were attempting to break down the door in order to "reclaim" their runaway illegal resident.

On top of that I now dwell in Salinas (and not the East Side), yet we've had two murders, one wounding, and divers other shooting incidents in the past year alone.

My family and I believe that having options is warranted, just as wearing good gear when riding is warranted. Better to have it and not need it...

 

[Dubbington]

Aren't we motivated to wear proper riding gear by the fear or injury?

Fear is rational. Without it we'd all be doing 130 mph wheelies through downtown SF traffic.

Fear keeps you alive.

I see nothing wrong with fear and it being a motivator for carrying a firearm.

The question is, is it THE ONLY reason for a person to carry in the home? That's what's being propagated in this thread.

 

[My900ss]

...In the end, you're still insulting people in this thread, and if that's a pattern with you then the mods should give you a break to let you think about it.

It is my opinion that the warning is based on a culmination of his posting habits and not this one thread. His statements are external vs. internal I.E. You are vs. I think. He is aware and the mods are right in asking him to curtail it.

Something I think people are also not drawing a distinction between is people who carry, either at work and home or everywhere, and people who don't carry but strap on a gun when they get home because it's the only place that they can legally do so...

I would agree with this sentiment. As I myself see no real issue with the choice to carry while going about your day outside your home, yet would find the need to carry while at home a bit dubious.

 

[My900ss]

The question is, is it THE ONLY reason for a person to carry in the home? That's what's being propagated in this thread.

Mr. Dub... would you agree the context in which the question raised was that of which one "regularly" carries a weapon in their home. Not a one time instance, or in preparation for a movie role, breaking a a holster etc. The idea presented was based on a person who part of their normal day wears a weapon in their home. Not a cop, or armed security guard sitting a breakfast in uniform before going to work, but joe citizen having coffee and reading the paper with a gun on his/her hip. I would ask you to give me A reason why someone would choose to do so given the above context?

 

[My900ss]

I guess it depends upon one's experiences.

I've had my front door burst in once (in a "safe" and bucolic suburb of Chicago), and have sat there, on the line for 20+ minutes with SFPD in the Inner Richmond, in the company of four frightened women, while gang members were attempting to break down the door in order to "reclaim" their runaway illegal resident.

On top of that I now dwell in Salinas (and not the East Side), yet we've had two murders, one wounding, and divers other shooting incidents in the past year alone.

My family and I believe that having options is warranted, just as wearing good gear when riding is warranted. Better to have it and not need it...

In your "Richmond" example above, do you think a gun stored in a safe under your bed or in your closet would have been any less useful than one you had strapped to your hip as they started banging on the door? I am not understanding the question by the OP to be why does any home owner feel the need to own a gun, but is it necessary or practical to walk around the house wearing a gun at most times while home?

 

[NorCalAthlete]

Mr. Dub... would you agree the context in which the question raised was that of which one "regularly" carries a weapon in their home. Not a one time instance, or in preparation for a movie role, breaking a a holster etc. The idea presented was based on a person who part of their normal day wears a weapon in their home. Not a cop, or armed security guard sitting a breakfast in uniform before going to work, but joe citizen having coffee and reading the paper with a gun on his/her hip. I would ask you to give me A reason why someone would choose to do so given the above context?

I don't recall seeing that distinction being drawn in the OP.

He mentioned that some of his neighbors are "real gun nuts and carry their gun's on their hips while at home". I was shocked.

He lives in a peaceful San Jose neighborhood.

In other words, this is 3rd party knowledge - how does the friend know that the neighbors don't have permits or whatever? Does he know that? There's no mention of whether or not they carry legally, illegally, or anything else so I see no reason to limit the discussion. Just draw the distinction for each opinion being offered up instead.

 

[My900ss]

I don't recall seeing that distinction being drawn in the OP.
In other words, this is 3rd party knowledge - how does the friend know that the neighbors don't have permits or whatever? Does he know that? There's no mention of whether or not they carry legally, illegally, or anything else so I see no reason to limit the discussion. Just draw the distinction for each opinion being offered up instead.

I am not aware of needing a permit to wear a gun while in your own home? While it is true the OP did not specify how often or for how long the gun was worn in the home, based on the title and the context of the first post, I took the OP to mean the home owners wear guns while at home with regularity.

 

[NorCalAthlete]

I am not aware of needing a permit to wear a gun while in your own home? While it is true the OP did not specify how often or for how long the gun was worn in the home, based on the title and the context of the first post, I took the OP to mean the home owners wear guns while at home with regularity.

You don't need one to wear it at home, my point though was that I've offered up a reason for wearing one regularly at home that directly pertains to having a permit.

We also haven't heard how this friend even knows his neighbors carry in their homes to begin with. If it's something like the other thread where the guy was drunk and just plopped it on the counter, that's a completely different discussion vs they carry calm and quiet and the friend happened to catch a glimpse one time or it came up in conversation. Both scenarios have the capacity to involve "the home owners wear guns while at home with regularity."

 

[russ69]

I am not aware of needing a permit to wear a gun while in your own home? While it is true the OP did not specify how often or for how long the gun was worn in the home, based on the title and the context of the first post, I took the OP to mean the home owners wear guns while at home with regularity.

No use doing CCW if you don't do it 24/7.

 

[Dubbington]

Mr. Dub... would you agree the context in which the question raised was that of which one "regularly" carries a weapon in their home. Not a one time instance, or in preparation for a movie role, breaking a a holster etc. The idea presented was based on a person who part of their normal day wears a weapon in their home. Not a cop, or armed security guard sitting a breakfast in uniform before going to work, but joe citizen having coffee and reading the paper with a gun on his/her hip. I would ask you to give me A reason why someone would choose to do so given the above context?

Would simply the fact that they can be a possibility? I've done many things in my life just for the sake of doing them because I can. Like building an AR Pistol (which I sold). No need for it, no death threats, no stalkers to warrant building one. I built it because I legally could.

I would 100% accept "a gun nut" carrying in his home for the simple sake of carrying, that he can, and is exercising his 2nd amendment right, especially in San Jose since getting a CCW is next to impossible. His thought process might be so simple; 'I'm going exercise my right because I can' nothing more than that.

What I'm trying to say is there's no absolute in the decision making of why anyone would carry in the home. To say it's only because they are paranoid, psycho, fear for their lives, have problems, want to join the Branch Davidians, albeit a percentage may be true in some circumstances, it's not the sole reason why all or even the majority do.

 

[carries an axe]

I don't recall seeing that distinction being drawn in the OP.

It's really the only argument I see as reasonable.
I haven't read the entire thread but would you disagree?

 

[NorCalAthlete]

It's really the only argument I see as reasonable.
I haven't read the entire thread but would you disagree?

I have read the entire thread, and while I don't disagree I don't agree either.

Put it this way - how often do things get blown out of proportion? You ride ATGATT....except that one time you were just gonna go 2 blocks away and didn't feel like walking so you threw on your helmet and gloves and sneakers, and THAT'S when someone snapped a pic of you and made you the "Squid catch of the day". Next thing you know everyone's acting like you never wear any gear, ride on the freeway naked, and think helmets are for people who ride in a constant fear of crashing.

Without knowing the circumstances of how the friend knows his neighbors carry, and how often they carry, all we can do is guess - at everything. So...why limit it to one aspect and act like that's the only aspect of the conversation that matters? As pointed out, this is an opinion thread - opinions are vast and diverse and change with the wind. Might as well hit it from all angles and see what happens. So far aside from the usual back and forth cat fighting there's been halfway decent discussion I think.

 

[MysterYvil]

In your "Richmond" example above, do you think a gun stored in a safe under your bed or in your closet would have been any less useful than one you had strapped to your hip as they started banging on the door? I am not understanding the question by the OP to be why does any home owner feel the need to own a gun, but is it necessary or practical to walk around the house wearing a gun at most times while home?

In the Richmond incident I did not have a firearm (SF being kinda draconian about such things). I had superior terrain (an open stairwell), four bricks, a hefty potted plant, pepper spray, and a pocketknife. The three residents and one guest retreated to the rooftop, behind two locked doors.

As SFPD failed to respond in a timely manner, we were lucky that another building resident shot wasp spray on the door-kickers, dousing them and rendering the landing's atmosphere unbreathable.

Contrasted to my Brookfield experience, where I had enough time to put my infant son in the back bedroom and then was present when my dirtball across-the-hall neighbor hurled his live-in girlfriend against our front door hard enough to spring both locks. He entered immediately, then retreated immediately in the face of my legally-owned and legally-borne firearm, with apologies. He still went to jail for domestic abuse.

In both cases I had an inkling that things might get tense, and was able to direct/carry innocents away from the possible fray. Moments I might not have had if I had to access a safe, or had not had implements at hand.

I do not understand why one would handicap one's self in order to make other hypothetical folks feel better about their personal world.

 

[My900ss]

No use doing CCW if you don't do it 24/7.

When you start to operate in an extreme how far do you take it? 24/7 so you would suggest sleeping with one strapped to you? Do you shower with a gun? Do you wear a gun while having sex, do you wear a gun while cleaning your gun? While on the toilet? Again, I see no problem with concealed carry, open carry etc. I agree there are many valid reasons to carry a gun during your day and it need not be based on fear or concern, just simply prudence or preference. I have my own opinion on carring while sitting at home. I would not suggest to anybody that they don't do so. I myself just do not see any value in doing so and would wonder what value is seen would see in doing so.

 

[NorCalAthlete]

Hell for some people maybe it's just fun. No fear of anything, just want to play soldier/cop and see what it feels like to carry that weight around all day.

 

[My900ss]

Hell for some people maybe it's just fun. No fear of anything, just want to play soldier/cop and see what it feels like to carry that weight around all day.

I am not sure if this post is in reply to mine? I have made several posts where I state that fear need not be a factor at all in the choice to carry a gun, regardless of where or when? I have also tried to, while presenting my opinion, clarify the difference between a one time event vs. someone who for no reason other than to carry a gun at home does so on a regular basis. If that hypothetical person exists, more power to them, I myself see no value in doing so.

 

[carries an axe]

I have read the entire thread, and while I don't disagree I don't agree either.

Put it this way - how often do things get blown out of proportion? You ride ATGATT....except that one time you were just gonna go 2 blocks away and didn't feel like walking so you threw on your helmet and gloves and sneakers, and THAT'S when someone snapped a pic of you and made you the "Squid catch of the day". Next thing you know everyone's acting like you never wear any gear, ride on the freeway naked, and think helmets are for people who ride in a constant fear of crashing.

Without knowing the circumstances of how the friend knows his neighbors carry, and how often they carry, all we can do is guess - at everything. So...why limit it to one aspect and act like that's the only aspect of the conversation that matters? As pointed out, this is an opinion thread - opinions are vast and diverse and change with the wind. Might as well hit it from all angles and see what happens. So far aside from the usual back and forth cat fighting there's been halfway decent discussion I think.

Yeah but I was referring to my900ss's (my900ss' ?) Point that people who do it all the time when in their own home as casually as they would wear a watch are a bit extreme, no?

If you come home one day and leave it on I don't see how it factors into this point.

If you hear a loud commotion outside from those sketchy neighbors that have people coming and going at all hours of the night, and you just have to strap it on that evening ... no argument from me.

 

[My900ss]

Would simply the fact that they can be a possibility? I've done many things in my life just for the sake of doing them because I can. Like building an AR Pistol (which I sold). No need for it, no death threats, no stalkers to warrant building one. I built it because I legally could.

If you built a new AR pistol every day, for days and weeks on end simply for the sake of doing so, would you still believe that to be a similar rational to building only one?

What I'm trying to say is there's no absolute in the decision making of why anyone would carry in the home. To say it's only because they are paranoid, psycho, fear for their lives, have problems, want to join the Branch Davidians, albeit a percentage may be true in some circumstances, it's not the sole reason why all or even the majority do.

I myself did not suggest any of those things, others may have, I did not. I did state that I feel that walking around in your home every day with a gun provides no real value. My opinion.

 

[NorCalAthlete]

I am not sure if this post is in reply to mine? I have made several posts where I state that fear need not be a factor at all in the choice to carry a gun, regardless of where or when? I have also tried to, while presenting my opinion, clarify the difference between a one time event vs. someone who for no reason other than to carry a gun at home does so on a regular basis. If that hypothetical person exists, more power to them, I myself see no value in doing so.

No sorry that wasn't in response to yours just a general statement to add on to my reply to Adam.

Yeah but I was referring to my900ss's (my900ss' ?) Point that people who do it all the time when in their own home as casually as they would wear a watch are a bit extreme, no?

If you come home one day and leave it on I don't see how it factors into this point.

If you hear a loud commotion outside from those sketchy neighbors that have people coming and going at all hours of the night, and you just have to strap it on that evening ... no argument from me.

I'd say it's extreme only in the strict sense that a small percentage of the population do it - ie, outliers (regarding people who don't carry outside the home at all but strap on when they get home). I don't think it's particularly extreme in any other sense of the word, and certainly don't attempt to attach or project any emotion to that hypothetical decision when I know nothing about the person in question.

If you built a new AR pistol every day, for days and weeks on end simply for the sake of doing so, would you still believe that to be a similar rational to building only one?

that'd get reeeeeeeal expensive, real fast. An AR pistol runs about $1,000.