Let's just say that I've experienced electronic aids that were best turned off at times as they were far from "invisible" or nuanced in their operation.
Have no experience with TC but I have read that some systems can be overly intrusive.
Mind you I'd never buy a 200hp bike.
Geoff, the 2015 R1 changes much of what's thought of as "rider Aids". The bike pretty much has the equivalent of "stability control" on a 4 wheel vehicle, for a motorcycle. It's not just ABS and TC, it's an entire electronics package that seeks to keep the bike upright...and it's pretty amazing stuff. As a rider takes away lean angle, it allows increasing amount of power to be added back, using bank angle sensors and not slip control. It's quite odd to get used to, at first.
Have the bike leaned over 40 degrees and want to try it out? Firewall the throttle and nothing happens. Want to get more power to the rear tire? Pick the bike up off the corner with the the throttle pinned and power gradually returns to the rear tire. Have the front tire "slip/ push" and the front brake lever is let out slightly and rear brake engaged slightly. It's simply amazing what this new electronics package is over the older ABS/ TC stuff.
Thanks GAJ.
I've got a slipper clutch and it's been useless for street riding.
Re: the track...... thinking one would ride a bike w/ all the electronics differently than one without; different breaking points, throttle application etc.
Slipper clutches are seamless when they're working. If they're really good, you don't even feel them. One of the biggest changes the last few years for track riders and bad habits is the lack of ability to match revs/ blip on a downshift. There are many riders who simply have no idea who to do it correctly nor, know how to slip the clutch on an entry...a super important skill to know.
These new bikes are ridden differently...or rather, need to be ridden differently. Will that change for the street? I'm sure it might as a rider who learns to pin the throttle off the corner with 50 degrees of lean angle may do the same thing on the street..and the bikes will be able to handle it. However, is that rider "skilled"?
Braking points shouldn't change unless the bike actually has better braking equipment (not electronics...that I can see a use for).
having been on the r1 forum for over 10 years, I can tell you for a fact that there are way less crashes on the street and track with the 15 model compared to the early models.lol. It has definitely kept many riders from experiencing pain while putting up with their stupidity and lack of skills. In general I think it's great that tech has advanced so much along with design and engineering to create such a masterpiece. But personally for me, it doesn't stir my loins like my 04 and 01 R1. Nothing beats wide open flatsides.
Interesting indeed. There's two R1's on copart now (hence the reason for this thread). Both are front end collisions.
Only thing i'm wondering is will it be better for a new motorcyclist to start with all of these electronics or will this stunt their growth?
Or will a new rider who starts with these electronics become a quicker rider in a shorter amount of time than someone who started without the electronics.
It should be way easier for a new rider to go fast with the rider aids. However, are they learning how to ride a bike or we just old school in saying such a thing?
Some people will never get clutch/shifting/braking all-at-once down. But, some people can't operate a manual car transmission, either. They had automatic transmissions for motorcycles 50 years ago. It seems that this is not a bad idea for those just using a bike for limited commuting/errand use. It would allow the newbie to concentrate on other necessary parts of riding. My first thoughts.
Auto blippers on the 2015 R1 are yet another thing people can start to forget about learning. See above on the lack of ability to slip clutches.
with that I am superior BS. 
