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How would you change MotoGP for 2012 & beyond if you could?

jraice said:
In response to this comment, I believe there is a difference between the electronics MotoGP bikes have now-a-days and electronic development that will eventually trickle down to street bikes. Traction control is one thing. Using GPS to change engine characteristics based on track position is a whole nothing ball game that IMHO does nothing for the development of non-racing vehicles and nothing for the sport other than to keep the factory teams ahead of the rest of the pack.
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I'd really like to come up with an elegant solution to electronics that are track-aware but I haven't come up with it yet. Blocking GPS isn't enough as Yamaha apparently relies on the system learning the corners on its own. This is tech that is completely MotoGP specific and has no benefit to rider safety outside of that arena.
 
I would do away with all electronic aids slipper clutches etc take things back to where you have to actually ride the motorcycle not point and shoot like a video game. I would also have a minimum weight for the rider and bike based on the weight of the heaviset rider in the class lighter riders would carry ballast to make up the difference.
 
It's not gps that they use. They use the timing marks on the surface to trigger it. The bike goes over the lap/segment timers and it is programmed to know what the next few corners are.

I would get rid of fuel limits and allow 2t's back. Cut back on some of the electronics but getting rid of them all and any rider aid will be impossible now.
 
No matter what - there are real problems for MotoGP and WSBK, to distinguish the series.
JO EBRMC said:
2. Remove control of the technical rules from the MSMA.
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3. Eliminate the 21L fuel limit.
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Without number two, there is no number three.
JO EBRMC said:
I'd really like to come up with an elegant solution to electronics that are track-aware but I haven't come up with it yet.
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This is so simple, as I have mentioned before. Everyone uses the same ECU, just like in F1. If F1 can do it, so can MotoGP.
afm199 said:
Ban clothing for umbrella girls.
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This, for sure. And let them ride WSBKS, so they can go faster. :cool
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Hopefully, the 800 experiment has ended. Stupid.
Spec ECU.
No fuel limits.
Weight based on rider+bike. Similar to horse racing.
 
I'd immediately delete most "rider aids" entirely. This is supposed to be a "riders championship," not a technology contest?

Back in the 500cc 2-stoke days riders rode the 200+ hp beasties w/o much help in electronics department, they can do it now too. Leave them w/an on-board map selection only; that's enough.

Anti-wheelie/Anti-lock/Anti-spin...good grief put a robot aboard. This along w/the 800cc machines have made the GP's what they are today = boring. If it weren't for Simohair we'd have almost nothing to bitch about...
 
A nitous button. Only works three times.


Also I would like to see a bone stock racing class.
 
No electronics will never happen, Abd the bikes would be all but unrideable.

Id like to see electronics scaled back to more reflect safety


Big difference between a 180 hp 2 stroke Abd a 250+ hp four with no tc at all
 
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How do you reconcile a call for the return of 2T bikes with the comments about forbidding things that have no realistic application in the hands of the public (e.g. track position dependent ECU mapping).

Unless you think 2T super bikes are coming to a public road near you in the future? :dunno
 
A spec ECU is a problem for the same reason as eliminating electronics and rider aids: WSBK has no such limitations and would quickly surpass MotoGP in speeds and lap times at which point MotoGP becomes pointless.

Kevin, I'm not as convinced of the safety argument as I once was. At this point, corner speeds have increased to such a degree that what would have been an uneventful lowside for a 500cc bike becomes a really boring crash that is much more likely to injure a rider.

Rider injuries haven't really gone down as electronics have increased even though safety equipment has improved.
 
JO EBRMC said:
A spec ECU is a problem for the same reason as eliminating electronics and rider aids: WSBK has no such limitations and would quickly surpass MotoGP in speeds and lap times at which point MotoGP becomes pointless.
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Huge dilemmas for both series that have been there for awhile. WSBK riders have not been able to use all their power for years. Supersport has one and one half times the cost of a stock ECU for a replacement, which is a nice limit. Le Mans prototypes are faster than F1. And CART was faster than F1. What F1 has done with the electronic limits has helped the series, so there is hope that it would work in MotoGP.

It is really a tough situation, since FIM is just the sanctioning body for both series. Unless there is an agreement between the two groups on rules, I think the gap will just get smaller and smaller. Max power would theoretically be 300 hp on a liter bike. (Current F1 numbers) Probably a pointless number on a motorcycle that needs to corner. But, it would still require lots of engine money to get there, so in theory, MotoGP could always stay ahead in top-speed and straight line acceleration.
 
two strokes.... no TC.....let superbikes compete, and put Isle of Man back in the mix.

*edit....if you don't want to race Isle of Man, then you forfeit the points... let DePuniet or another backmarker take the race...
 
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1000cc, with pretty much no restrictions on format. Remove restrictions on fuel capacity. Make horsepower cheap and easy. Let people try crazy (rotary, turbine-hybrid) formats if they want to.
No traction control. Between that and basically unlimited power, the combination of (spec) tire limits and rider skill become the limiting factors - should make for much more exciting racing and will concentrate all of the development on chassis performance and weight (especially gyroscopic) reduction.
 
No electronics that aid riders would be the biggest and most effective equalizer.

Being able to distinguish how much the rider is improving compared to their launch control, TC, corner control, etc. has become impossible.

Not only are riders fighting the way a bike handles, performs, etc. they are now fighting a bike that also changes its characteristics during the race.
 
Why do so many people want electronics removed from MotoGP but no ever complains about them in WSBK?

I think people have a distorted perception of the impact they have.
 
whats funny is that the bstone tires have significantly more to do with the issue than electronics do. the tires are almost TOO god over race distance. theres hardly any difference in lap times...

no one complains about electronics in wsbk because no one watches wsbk lol
 
I'd bring back Freddie Spencer and Kevin Schwantz at the top of their game.
Hey you said if I could and thats about as likely as anything else I could ever do.
 
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