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Idea to help stop drivers with suspended license.

From the stats I have seen most suspended licenses are for driving under the influence multiple times. Hell with some of this thinking there would never be a consequence for driving with a suspended license. There should be a consequence and it should be severe. Without consequences behavior will NEVER change.
Hell sounds like you guys don't even want drunk drivers locked up.
Just trying to solve a problem that is out of control.

RC
 
How is it racist? Almost all the people that I know who have had suspended licenses from DUIs and yet continue to drive around during their suspension were white. It just depends on what kind of idiots you know not on skin color.

the political reality is this would never go anywhere in Sac because it would be argued suspended drivers are disproportionately people of color. In fact, this has already occurred.
 
Gawernator said:
Too many tickets for going 67 in a 65 zone. Cut off his hands
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Now really, stay focused on the reality of the discussion.
I know of no one who has ever gotten such a ticket.
My purpose here is to come up with ideas that solves problems.

I am always thinking of how to improve our society and driving without a license has come to my attention many many times the last few weeks in reading numerous motorcycle forums. All of them resulted in a fatality. What we just don't even think or put forth ideas to solve problems?
RC
 
rogerc said:
From the stats I have seen most suspended licenses are for driving under the influence multiple times. Hell with some of this thinking there would never be a consequence for driving with a suspended license. There should be a consequence and it should be severe. Without consequences behavior will NEVER change.
Hell sounds like you guys don't even want drunk drivers locked up.
Just trying to solve a problem that is out of control.

RC
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There ARE consequences, that's the point.

Licenses can be suspended for more reasons than DUI. I'm sure many barfers could get the DL's suspended for sunday shenanigans in the hills if there was super heavy enforcement.

Can you post links the actual data you are referring to?
 
rogerc said:
From the stats I have seen most suspended licenses are for driving under the influence multiple times. Hell with some of this thinking there would never be a consequence for driving with a suspended license. There should be a consequence and it should be severe. Without consequences behavior will NEVER change.
Hell sounds like you guys don't even want drunk drivers locked up.
Just trying to solve a problem that is out of control.
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There is just no way this is true. Cite your stats, please.

I can see where you are coming from. But, it is based on a false premise.

Consequently, it paints the stop-sign runner who didn't get paid on time with the same brush as the multi-DUI individual.

The laws are already severe for multi DUIs. And, the trouble is that even with consequences, their behavior with NEVER change.
 
Just did several rounds of interviews for a open position on my team.
Interviewees were asked by HR prior to interview if they had reliable transportation as they would need to travel between our two locations late at night.
!00% reported "yes".
During interviews I asked if they had a valid drivers license as they would need to be put on the company insurance policy even if they were driving their personal vehicles.
100%....NO!
Asked why? DUI's...."I am working on getting it back".."I think I can reapply soon"..
And if one of these fine folks takes you out with no license and no insurance it is all on you. :(
WTF people, get it together out there!
DT
 
Johndicezx9 said:
a la Ferguson and the frustrations with their code enforcement for financial gain.



Are the specifics of their suspension that they can drive to and from work, AA meetings, alcohol classes, etc?

BTW, I believe in January, 1st time DUI offenders have to install interlocks.
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I believe making it more difficult to suspend drivers for whatever reason will lead directly to more injuries and deaths on the road. Can I prove it? No, that would take several years of real world experiments playing with the lives of innocent peds, bicyclists and drivers. California is likely headed that way, however.
 
El Feo said:
There is just no way this is true. Cite your stats, please.

I can see where you are coming from. But, it is based on a false premise.

Consequently, it paints the stop-sign runner who didn't get paid on time with the same brush as the multi-DUI individual.

The laws are already severe for multi DUIs. And, the trouble is that even with consequences, their behavior with NEVER change.
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lots and lots of multi dui drivers out there. the laws really not severe in the least UNTIL Someone is hurt or killed. you are very wrong on that.
 
El Feo said:
... And, the trouble is that even with consequences, their behavior with NEVER change.
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This.

At my old home in South Natomas ( Sacramento ) , there was a house a few homes from mine that housed about 12 adults. They owned a combined 10 POS cars. Without exaggeration, 8 of the cars had expired tags. All of which were parked on the street, and not all in front of their own house of course. I had the pleasure of these POS cars parked in front of my house every day with expired registration. With that comes the massive oil slicks they would leave behind in the road everywhere they parked. The chances of them being insured and the drivers had valid drivers licenses were probably pretty slim. Obviously there is a law that says your vehicle must be registered to park on a public roadway let alone drive it. That law means nothing to people that have nothing to lose. Take away their POS car, they will find another POS car and go along their way of life.
 
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Johndicezx9 said:
So if someone (a roommate, a relative) with a suspended license takes my keys without me knowing (maybe I'm out of town, on vacation) about it and gets caught with my car, I lose it?

That doesn't sound fair.
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And parents that leave guns around for children to access should get a free pass as well.
 
enki said:
lots and lots of multi dui drivers out there. the laws really not severe in the least UNTIL Someone is hurt or killed. you are very wrong on that.
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Honestly, I don't know with regard to any numbers.

However, my characterization of what is already in the penal code is "severe." But, this is subjective.

You may say, "Hang 'em high!"

WWWobble said:
Irrelevant.
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I don't know what you are trying to say.

Your examples could be considered wrong, immoral, illegal, objectionable, contemptible, etc. Yet, they were not Draconian.
 
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phocup said:
Sounds like if room mate did that .. they're essentially stealing your car.

I'm sure if you have the proper insurance they can step up here.
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I think this just solves the problem of how to increase everyone's insurance rates.
 
So we are to continue with the present situation and do nothing.
Our system is set up to suspend the license of those who choose not to obey some pretty basic rules. Until someone shows me something different you get it suspended you should not drive you do pay the price of losing your car. You have to screw up pretty big to get a suspended license.
My friend works for the courts as a record keeper and stat guy and he tells me that the vast majority are for DUI not for poor people not paying tickets which seldom happens because there are numerous programs to help.
I am saying make it very hard for these individuals to get a car. Make hard for them to get a car they can't drive.
Again as a person who has worked with youth for over 40 years we must have reasonable consequences for bad actions.
RC
 
I'm happy to say this is now over a decade ago, but I had my license suspended for nearly five years (for the last 2 years of that, I was out of state for school, so the impact wasn't perhaps as severe as five years sounds).

No DUIs, just many speeding tickets (I really should have listened to the posters on R1 forum, before buying that R1).

I had my bike impounded 30 days once time, and the suspension would be prolonged if I was ever caught driving (happened a couple of times).

This was obviously pre-Uber days, and it's just very difficult to NEVER drive. At the time, I was working at a hospital (obviously open 24 hours a day), and would sometimes get called in for unexpected shifts. It's just not realistic to always take a cab, ask for a ride, etc.

Anyway, I'm not even sure what my point is, expect perhaps to provide a little perspective from the other side. It was stupid and I regret it (aside from the $$$, my suspensions delayed my professional license being granted for over one year). Well OK, I guess in part my point is, it can be very difficult to recover from these sorts of mistakes.
 
El Feo said:
I don't know what you are trying to say.

You're examples could be considered wrong, immoral, illegal, objectionable, contemptible, etc. Yet, they were not Draconian.
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OK. And RogerC suggests a means of reducing these "wrong, immoral, illegal, objectionable, contemptible..." actions, and you suggest it as "draconian?"

Disagree.
 
Suspensions for speeding tickets are just ridiculous. If you want to save lives, start suspending the licenses of the retards who drive 55-65 in the passing lane.
 
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