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Illegal Pot Farms

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aside from that, im pretty sure there are good examples showing that the best way out of this mess is to stop blaming the user for all the issues and start trying to help them w/ their addiction.

And how's that working out for anybody? Not at all. It just nourishes our tendency to be weaklings. We truly need an ethos, a backbone. No, I don't have the answers and dont want to become a totalitarian state. But we aren't trying hard enough to have self-discipline in this regard.
 
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Srsly. Why is my country hooked on frickin everything? What is the matter with us?

the litany of miseries especially in the Western Hemisphere caused by the American drug consumer SHOULD be enough to get everyone to stop and think about it, but doesnt seem to.

But that's just me...

Becausue we're groomed as a culture to consume. It's part of the American identity more so than any other nation.
 
Becausue we're groomed as a culture to consume. It's part of the American identity more so than any other nation.

That, and in all reality the American experience isn't nearly as good as people wanna admit. Life here isn't as good as it should be
 
^^^Was having a similar conversation with a buddy earlier. I've had this thing in the back of my mind for a while now and I avoid saying it aloud, but I think we might be the bad guy in our story. It brings about a strange feeling.
 
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Srsly. Why is my country hooked on frickin everything? What is the matter with us?

the litany of miseries especially in the Western Hemisphere caused by the American drug consumer SHOULD be enough to get everyone to stop and think about it, but doesnt seem to.

But that's just me...

Related: 1 in 8 Americans now alcoholics
 
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Srsly. Why is my country hooked on frickin everything? What is the matter with us?

the litany of miseries especially in the Western Hemisphere caused by the American drug consumer SHOULD be enough to get everyone to stop and think about it, but doesnt seem to.

But that's just me...

Interesting take.

Waanna sit down over a beer and chat about it sometime?
 
And how's that working out for anybody? Not at all. It just nourishes our tendency to be weaklings. We truly need an ethos, a backbone. No, I don't have the answers and dont want to become a totalitarian state. But we aren't trying hard enough to have self-discipline in this regard.

the results that i rem are less addiction, less crime, less death, & cheaper for the govt as a whole. preventative care is generally cheaper than emergency care. sounds like positive results to me. maybe ill find u some articles.
 
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/03/backcountry-drug-war/521352/

Summary... Illegal pot farms use unregulated pesticides, killing wildlife, poisoning soil and contaminating water. Legal dispensaries are finding pesticides on the pot available to be purchased and they appear at detectable levels when the plant is smoked. In addition to the wildlife impact from pesticides, their is an impact driven from water usage.

Opinion,
This is an issue best closed by the pot industry internally. I.E. self regulation as the effect from the Govt. getting involved may not be desired.

Data:
  • The lethal poisons growers use to protect their crops and campsites from pests are annihilating wildlife, polluting pristine public lands, and maybe even turning up in your next bong hit.

  • grow sites tested positive for carbofuran, a neurotoxic insecticide which found in "rodenticide" has been banned in the U.S., Canada and the EU. Farmers in Kenya have used it to kill lions. Symptoms of exposure range from nausea and blurred vision to convulsions, spontaneous abortions, and death.

  • Pacific fishers (Pekania pennanti), cat-sized carnivores that live in old-growth forests in the Rockies and Sierra Nevadas...There are fewer than 500 fishers left in the mountains of northern California. 58 fisher carcasses collected over the previous three years were tested and found that more than 80 percent had rodenticide in their systems. It even showed up in nursing kits, meaning the mothers passed it through their milk. Some animals tested positive for four separate toxic compounds. Since then the numbers have only risen. In 2016, the scientists tested 22 radio-collared fishers that had apparently died of natural causes; every one had some kind of synthetic poison in its system.

  • The poisons could spread far beyond each grow site and contaminate the water supply of towns and cities far downstream. The toxicants can leach into the soil and linger for years. Using water monitors, organophosphates—nerve agents used to make insecticides and certain types of chemical weapons—are found several hundred meters downhill from grow sites.

  • Pesticides are showing up on both leaves and buds at trespass grows and they appear at detectable levels when the plant is smoked. There hasn’t been any formal research in California yet, but studies and investigations in Colorado and Oregon have found pesticides on marijuana in legal dispensaries, including in products that were supposedly certified pesticide-free. Last year, the Emerald Cup, a major cannabis competition in Sonoma County that focuses on organic growing, started testing entries for pesticides. About a quarter of the concentrates and more than 5 percent of flowers were disqualified.

  • In a controlled setting, a marijuana plant uses about six gallons of water per day, which over a 150-day growing season comes out to 3,400 liters (900 gallons) of water per plant. Trespass grows use 50 percent more water because of less efficient irrigation systems and added stressors like pests, pathogens, and drier weather at higher elevations. One study by the California Department of Fish and Wildlife estimated that trespass marijuana grows used about 300 million gallons of water per square mile, roughly the same as almond orchards. The 1.1 million illegal pot plants removed in California in 2016 would have used somewhere around 1.3 billion gallons of water

And this differs from big ag how?
 
With the rise of legal pot, we now have diverse options.

Does anyone remember when comedies would have an old person say "Those hippies, taking those marijuana pills!"

You can now buy Marijuana pills in all states with recreational marijuana.
 
^^^Was having a similar conversation with a buddy earlier. I've had this thing in the back of my mind for a while now and I avoid saying it aloud, but I think we might be the bad guy in our story. It brings about a strange feeling.

I think history is not going to look back very kindly on America circa 1960-2100
 
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Srsly. Why is my country hooked on frickin everything? What is the matter with us?

the litany of miseries especially in the Western Hemisphere caused by the American drug consumer SHOULD be enough to get everyone to stop and think about it, but doesnt seem to.

But that's just me...

Let's take a second to Google "DUI Deaths In America" and see what's really causing misery. Maybe we'll take a look at domestic violence stats and see if people are high on pot when they beat their wives?
I wonder if you've posted the same thought about being hooked, in the home brewers thread?


Sounds really healthy

It's the everclear of the marijuana industry

Butane extraction is garbage. There are superior ways to extract the oils.
 
Let's take a second to Google "DUI Deaths In America" and see what's really causing misery. Maybe we'll take a look at domestic violence stats and see if people are high on pot when they beat their wives?
I wonder if you've posted the same thought about being hooked, in the home brewers thread?

Or look up deaths by prescription opioids. Even though the actual numbers are under-counted, in the US there are over three times as many deaths attributable to painkillers than deaths from intoxicated driving. Not to mention the pain it causes families and friends.

Oh, BTW our current administration is reviving just say no drug war tactics to tackle the problem. :facepalm

What was that definition of insanity again?

ETA: the amount of human misery caused by marijuana is so insignificant compared to legal drugs it's almost laughable. Ending prohibition would reduce that misery even further, while giving people access to a medicine that is unparalleled in efficacy for some diseases. That "good" people would keep cannabis products illicit, unresearched, and unregulated when children are crippled and killed by epilepsy is puritanical hypocrisy at its ugliest and most immoral.
 
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Or look up deaths by prescription opioids. Even though the actual numbers are under-counted, in the US there are over three times as many deaths attributable to painkillers than deaths from intoxicated driving. Not to mention the pain it causes families and friends.

Oh, BTW our current administration is reviving just say no drug war tactics to tackle the problem. :facepalm

And what did the previous admin do to stop the poppy fields in Afghanistan? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_production_in_Afghanistan

Why aren't we shutting down the production of these things?
 
I don't understand why even the butane kits are ten grand. It's just a bunch of plumbing with a few canisters that aren't any more complex to design than a propane tank. There's some serious margin in this stuff.
 
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