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Jeep, Cliff, Bike Trail, Idiot.

One of my favorite t-shirts. :afm199
CONFIDENCE is the feeling you have before you fully understand the situation.
 

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That was great, what an operation.

Did they really use a synthetic line on the winch? Are those really viable?
 
berth said:
That was great, what an operation.

Did they really use a synthetic line on the winch? Are those really viable?
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I have one on my power wagon. Straight Pulled a h2 out of thick mud sunk to the frame.
 
berth said:
That was great, what an operation.

Did they really use a synthetic line on the winch? Are those really viable?
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As ThumperX would tell you, synthetic lines have been used for ships and heavy pulling for quite a while. They've become very common in the off road world, and have proven themselves many times over.

They do have some "cons". But overall they're a solid option.
 
Charles R said:
Looks like they got it out. Here's a video on Instagram. If you watch the whole thing you get to see a guy fantasize he's going to cut through a synthetic winch rope with his "survival knife" :rolleyes
But the main pulling starts at 14:15-ish


https://www.instagram.com/tv/CFgENt...63IQTSg77fMV5bavrBHig-Dj-UrdbLYWrixYqFXOURNrk
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Hot take:

It's a very American thing to hire a bunch of Mexican American Day laborers to dig yourself out of a problem you caused by taking on something way over your head, and can't solve with your own knowledge and abilities.

Not saying for sure that's exactly what happened here.

Other hot take:

[YOUTUBE]z1EYGtPqaqA[/YOUTUBE]

Good on them for getting it out. :laughing
 
NorCalAthlete said:
So many people standing around in the danger zone if the line snaps...
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Yea, I saw that too. But I appreciate the feeling that they needed someone there to cut the line in case the Jeep fell, I was just wondering if they had considered doing it fast to that cutting the line didn't hurt someone.
 
From the audio in the vid, it sounds like a local wheeling group stepped up to help. I'm in a couple wheeling recovery groups myself, but hadn't seen anything on them asking for help.

But there's TONS of groups out there. What I pick up from the vid is a lot of enthusiasm...but not a ton of experience. There looked to be a few with decent experience... But no one with the big "take charge of the scene" type of level.

As far as the danger of cutting the rope...
While they should always be wary of the snap back, that's where synthetic ropes really shine. When they snap, they don't carry anything close to the same levels of energy a wire rope holds. So they're considered WAY safer than traditional wire rope.
 
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Charles R said:
From the audio in the vid, it sounds like a local wheeling group stepped up to help. I'm in a couple wheeling recovery groups myself, but hadn't seen anything on them asking for help.

But there's TONS of groups out there. What I pick up from the vid is a lot of enthusiasm...but not a ton of experience. There looked to be a few with decent experience... But no one with the big "take charge of the scene" type of level.

As far as the danger of cutting the rope...
While they should always be wary of the snap back, that's where synthetic ropes really shine. When they snap, they don't carry anything close to the same levels of energy a wire rope holds. So they're considered WAY safer than traditional wire rope.
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They also tried to daisy chain a straight line pull and then drive backwards instead of anchoring and winching. A couple of wheel chocks and a snatch block would have been handy...
 
Yeah. On Facebook I said this video was painful to watch. That was a big part of it. Enthusiasm...but not experience. But mostly just missing somebody that stepped up and said, "Do it like this, in order to be safe as well as functional".
 
Charles R said:
While they should always be wary of the snap back, that's where synthetic ropes really shine. When they snap, they don't carry anything close to the same levels of energy a wire rope holds. So they're considered WAY safer than traditional wire rope.
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What kind of load can the modern synthetic lines take?

I've only seen one winch, it was a small winch, and I think it had a 3/8" line. It seemed perfectly appropriate for where I think I recall seeing it (which I think was on a side by side, it may have even been a motorcycle in the back, but don't quote me).

I can easily see a 3/8" line supporting light vehicles.

But my dim memory of cable winches is in the 8,000-12,000lb range.

Quick anecdote, when I was with my friend and he got his truck mud stuck, during the arduous recovery, one of the things we managed to do was tear out the threading on one of those large, yellow tow/snap straps. Strap held, just tore open the loop.
 
Condensed version of video

[youtube]91pJe7zRqwA[/youtube]
 
Charles R said:
Yeah. On Facebook I said this video was painful to watch. That was a big part of it. Enthusiasm...but not experience. But mostly just missing somebody that stepped up and said, "Do it like this, in order to be safe as well as functional".
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Agreed, it did seem pretty chaotic. That jeep guy is stoked that the club stepped up to save his rig though.

Reminded me of this recovery at Hollister that I got to watch.

Syncro broke his rear axle on a hill climb at this Overland Rally. He ended up driving home with just the front axle.







 
ScarySpikes said:
Hot take:

It's a very American thing to hire a bunch of Mexican American Day laborers to dig yourself out of a problem you caused by taking on something way over your head, and can't solve with your own knowledge and abilities.

Not saying for sure that's exactly what happened here.

Other hot take:

[YOUTUBE]z1EYGtPqaqA[/YOUTUBE]

Good on them for getting it out. :laughing
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‘Cause there’s no way a bunch of Spanish speakers can afford a Jeep, amirite?:rolleyes
 
berth said:
What kind of load can the modern synthetic lines take?

I've only seen one winch, it was a small winch, and I think it had a 3/8" line. It seemed perfectly appropriate for where I think I recall seeing it (which I think was on a side by side, it may have even been a motorcycle in the back, but don't quote me).

I can easily see a 3/8" line supporting light vehicles.

But my dim memory of cable winches is in the 8,000-12,000lb range.

Quick anecdote, when I was with my friend and he got his truck mud stuck, during the arduous recovery, one of the things we managed to do was tear out the threading on one of those large, yellow tow/snap straps. Strap held, just tore open the loop.
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Synthetic line is stronger than cable in the same size. Cheap 3/8" Amsteel is good for ~17,000 lbs and 3/8" Dux is good for about 30,000 lbs.

They use synthetic line to dock oil tankers and massive cargo ships, its better then steel cable in almost every way.
 
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berth said:
What kind of load can the modern synthetic lines take?

I've only seen one winch, it was a small winch, and I think it had a 3/8" line. It seemed perfectly appropriate for where I think I recall seeing it (which I think was on a side by side, it may have even been a motorcycle in the back, but don't quote me).

I can easily see a 3/8" line supporting light vehicles.

But my dim memory of cable winches is in the 8,000-12,000lb range.

Quick anecdote, when I was with my friend and he got his truck mud stuck, during the arduous recovery, one of the things we managed to do was tear out the threading on one of those large, yellow tow/snap straps. Strap held, just tore open the loop.
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Basically, the cheaper synthetic ropes that use more genetic material are considered equal to a like sized steel rope. The premium ropes that use materials like Dyneema or Amsteel have higher braking strength ratings than a steel rope.

There's a comparison at the bottom of this page. http://www.masterpull.com/differences-in-synthetic-winch-lines/

What synthetic is much weaker to, is abrasion and sharp edges. So how you use it and care for it is important.
 
berth said:
What kind of load can the modern synthetic lines take?

I've only seen one winch, it was a small winch, and I think it had a 3/8" line. It seemed perfectly appropriate for where I think I recall seeing it (which I think was on a side by side, it may have even been a motorcycle in the back, but don't quote me).

I can easily see a 3/8" line supporting light vehicles.

But my dim memory of cable winches is in the 8,000-12,000lb range.

Quick anecdote, when I was with my friend and he got his truck mud stuck, during the arduous recovery, one of the things we managed to do was tear out the threading on one of those large, yellow tow/snap straps. Strap held, just tore open the loop.
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My neighbor got a winch to stylize his 4Runner :laughing and it looks like they are using dyneema or spectra fiber for the winch. Its strong and a stiff fiber and wire ropes/ cables are being replaced with dyneema even in the shipping industry.

I use dyneema in rock climbing and a 8mm webbing sling is rated at 22kN or ~5000 lb.
 
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