rapidrobbie
Ride Fast Take Chances
They have a bunch of people who instruct that are also insructors for other trackday providers.It's a fun track that's not that difficult
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Knee drag frustrations....
- Thread starter snowflow mfg
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FXCLM5
bombaclaud
for your track bikejust buy rjbrittains pucks and tell every1 at *bucks you dragged them to hell and back.
Why are you even trying to attempt to drag on the street? like i said go to a parking lot first and do circles. if you cant drag there - you shouldnt try to drag anywhere else.... if the parking lot isnt big enough, move to the next one, im sure you got a business park or walmart, costco nearby...
a parking lot is the safest closed asphalt circuit other then a racetrack.
Why are you even trying to attempt to drag on the street? like i said go to a parking lot first and do circles. if you cant drag there - you shouldnt try to drag anywhere else.... if the parking lot isnt big enough, move to the next one, im sure you got a business park or walmart, costco nearby...
a parking lot is the safest closed asphalt circuit other then a racetrack.
11B
Infantry, Army, 1991-2004
- Joined
- Dec 11, 2007
- Location
- Sunnyvale
- Moto(s)
- 1985 GS 450 Suzuki, 1995 Triumph Trident 900, 2001 Yamaha YZF Thundercat, 2001 GSXR 1000
- Name
- Sean
The idea is to ride as smoothly and safely as possible. The OP still has a lot of unused sidewall on his tires (which seems to be more by the previous owner) and has been discussing his effort to unsuccessfully drag his knee on the street. I think it's a lot safer for him to master riding on top of the bike before he tries the on the side of the bike method ^^. Besides, I bet the bottom of his pegs are still nice and shinny, i.e., LOTS of lean angle and sidewall left.
I'd prefer the OP to get more lean at slower road speeds when he has a bunch of sidewall left then speed up where every mistake has more severe consequences for everyone. What do you think will upset the suspension more? A controlled and smooth rider centered on the bike with a slower speed and a bit more lean; Or, an uncontrolled rider with poor balance and technique, carrying more speed and a bit less lean?
snowflow mfg
New member
No parking lots like that exist up here. I live in the mountains. No costco. There's a walmart in Sonora, but it's crazy there and has too many obstacles. This was a perfect, freshly paved a month ago, open and visible turn with no one at all on it...not for a long time. Not only that it was a onetime thing. So I'd appreciate if everyone would stop telling me how stupid it is to do such a thing on the street. I scouted out what I did. I spent one 15 minute session playing on it and that's that. Didn't do it again, not going to do it again. Nor am I going out to every single corner I see and just blindly and without inspection go out and attempt to lay my knee (or ass) on the pavement. I know better than that.
I'm looking for more imput on what went wrong rather then were I need to go to do it again. I want to do it again at the track...that's about it.
FXCLM5
bombaclaud
animals...
snowflow mfg
New member
Yup, there's a few bears in these parts.
haha....hooooo ya.
Burning1
I'm scareoused!
You're scraping pegs but not dragging knee? Assuming you are putting your knee out, I've curious about your body position. I have stock rearsets on my Suzuki, and the pegs rarely touch the ground.
You're absolutely right, but... You have to enter a strongly cambered turn a lot faster than a flat or off-camber corner to get the knee down; that can be a strong psychological barrier for some riders. It's probably safer from a traction standpoint to crank it way over on a cambered turn than it is to drag off camber.
It should go without saying that on the street, the safety margin of a cambered turn is going to be offset by other risks - it doesn't matter how good the engineering is if there happens to be a car parked at the end of the curve.
Dove
productively obsessed
If you roll off the throttle at max lean (panic reaction) in the middle of a turn...the suspension actually bottoms out and pegs will drag.
Coincidentally - if you go through the turn the correct way with the throttle cracked open...you actually gain cornering clearance.
Coincidentally - if you go through the turn the correct way with the throttle cracked open...you actually gain cornering clearance.
Dove
productively obsessed
My response was in regards to this observation.
That was over 15 months ago I did with stock rearsets on the street. I solved that issue out by getting vortex rearsets that sit higher. Also I only dragged peg a few times maybe like twice, and it freaked me out and I just bought adjustable rearsets thinking I needed them.
I also have not rode the street in 8 months now, I pretty much quit riding street. At the track I have never scraped a peg... to get an idea, the last trackday I was running 2.16s at Thill and I am only scraping knee in a few turns. An yes I am not hanging off much yet most my pics look like I barely move my butt off.. I been told by instructors I do a good job off moving my upper body but not the lower yet. I plan on working on that at the next keigwins school next week.
Whenever I have dragged knee, I usually feel it touch, and then lift back up. I dont keep my knee dragging throughout longer turns once my line is set.
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EastBayDave
- Kawasaki Fanatic -
save a bail with your knee...
Disagree biggie (more than big!) time ^^. Imo, if you save it, it's more luck than skill. Very often the front will go with little or no warning and happens lightning quick. If you're in a bad spot with the gas, brake, corner, or all the above, good luck!
Well if your mind continues to be so closed, I can only assume you will do more face plants than I ever did. Do you race?
I'm a bit surprised more "Pro's/ex-pros" didn't speak up here. I did leave the door WIDE open. We've actually already had this discussion years back. I guess I'm waisting my breath on closed minds...(sigh)...
rapidrobbie
Ride Fast Take Chances
I'm with EBDave on this one,it can be done,Ive done it several times.I will say though if you lost the front on the brakes it is very hard to save.The times I lost the front it slid pretty slowly the bars went the wrong way and smoke was coming off the tire (t3 thill) I just rolled on the gas and pushed down with my knee and it came back.I have done it once on the street and that one hurt (jeans) but still saved it
Ironbutt
Loves the anecdotal
I know, you just want a benchmark, nothing wrong with that.
I'm into sliding one or both tires through corners and lately, wheelies.. I totally get off on that.
I'm into sliding one or both tires through corners and lately, wheelies.. I totally get off on that.
I come in at around 50-55mph, then I hang off the bike with the techniques I learned. Once I get into the lean I roll on the throttle. When i exit I see i'm doing around 70-75mph. So I just put the numbers in between. Never actually looked at the speedo in the turn. I was too busy looking at the exit of the turn and my mirror. lol
However, I hope to get a better grasp on racing basics at my first trackday. Till then i'll just keep cruising around enjoying the mountains like I have been for a couple years now.
I like looking like a noodle btw
11B
Infantry, Army, 1991-2004
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- Name
- Sean
Wasn't me^^. Snowflow is the OP and the knee dragging comments have been said by him which can also be seen here: http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5195420#post5195420
Someone is a bit defensive ^^. Some people have actually already spoken up o_^. Andy Ibbot is the European Director of the California Superbike School, and author of Performance Riding Techniques: The MotoGP of Track Riding Skills, and has been quoted as saying, "....never a nice option as front end losses are very hard to save (and you can forget saving it on your knee slider as this is more luck than a valid skill)."
But hey brother, you are probably right - Andy is clueless and undoubtedly has a closed mind
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