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Knee dragging is NOT sexy.....

winders said:
Please, that is a weak statement.

The street is not the place to try and drag a knee. Can I do it? Sure, anytime I feel like it. Do I? Never. Why? Because you have to ride harder than is safe.

The bottomline is that riding hard to drag your knee on the street is riding too hard for the street. Save it for the track. Let's all ride safely on the street so we don't have to read about more avoidable accidents and deaths.

Scott
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never did i say in my quote that the street was THE place to try and drag knee. i was saying that there are individuals out there who REALLY attempt to do it when they shouldn't and there are others who just RIDE and drag their knee without even trying.

i definitely agree with you, save it for the track.
 
Tripp said:
V4,

You have a lot of good points here. Certainly, making a good turn, on a good line, at a speed that will allow you to deal with surprises safely is the important thing, not pretending to be a racer on the street.

On the other hand, let me play the devil's advocate (like he needs the help). Learning the "envelope" of control of yourself and your bike is a good thing. As you say, being ready to safely change line or brake in a turn is important on the street (on the track to, I'd guess, but I don't know!). New riders are usually surprised at how far they can lean their bikes safely, and they often blow turns as they're learning because they don't (or won't) lean them farther and steer tighter when a turn radius decreases, or they suddenly find gravel in the corner.

Now you have far more experience riding then me, so I don't mean to contradict you, but I'm curious whether you think that there's any benefit in learning how far you can lean and how tightly you can corner at various speeds. I would think so, IMHO. Getting a knee out/down as a feeler seems like a reasonable way to do it (on a nice safe piece of road).

This isn't to say that everyone out there trying to drag knees is doing it for good reasons; I realize that there's a lot of wannabe shyte going on. But if it's learned in the right place at the right time, is it always a bad thing?

Thanks for the feedback.
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Easy go to the racetrack and figure it out---there is NO contradiction---where there are ambulances, the absence of obstacles to run into---you would be amazed how many folks crash trying to drag knee, like that dude on the Kawi--a few months ago--that ran into the telephone pole

Not to mention the crossed-up spastic style--ie gotta get my knee on the ground No matter what...... that most street draggers tend to develop....seems that it takes a long time for some "street racers" to unlearn this---and learn body postioning that actually helps them go faster/safer
 
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zx6roxy said:
hey winders, i think you misunderstood my phrase.
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did you understand his phrase?

winders said:
The bottomline is that riding hard to drag your knee on the street is riding too hard for the street. Save it for the track. Let's all ride safely on the street so we don't have to read about more avoidable accidents and deaths.

Scott
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From what I've observed* a LOT of crashes on our local roads are attributable to attempts to drag knee either upsetting the bike and causing a crash or requiring more speed than is safe and eliminating the safety margin.


*- note. observation, not data.
 
Mortifer said:
um, is 20 mph in first gear from a standstill riding too hard? or 40 on a nice clean 20mph turn that you can see though? it is poossible if you know what you're doing, I've seen it done.
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I would think Winders is right. Most newbies that try and drag their knee and SUCCEED, usually 'think' about their knee being down as they go through the turn and not 'think' about whats in front of them. That alone is pretty dangerous - if you were to accidentally sway over to the othere lane.

The good point of this this thread - is that people shouldn't try so hard to drag knee "On the Street". Its unsafe to others and to them. Like others have said, learn to drag your knee at the track.
 
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know what... ride how ever you want... if you are hanging off and trying to drag a knee good for you too bad your leaning the bike less though.... oh wait, that's a good thing (isn't it?) just ride safe...
 
winders said:
Please, that is a weak statement.

The street is not the place to try and drag a knee. Can I do it? Sure, anytime I feel like it. Do I? Never. Why? Because you have to ride harder than is safe.

The bottomline is that riding hard to drag your knee on the street is riding too hard for the street. Save it for the track. Let's all ride safely on the street so we don't have to read about more avoidable accidents and deaths.

Scott
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You should just copy and paste this reply whenever you reply to a post. It's just about always the same..........
 
Even at the track, I've seen a lot of peeps trying so hard to get a knee down. They take some pretty interesting lines to try and do so, it's ridiculous.

Although I must admit... My first 2 trackdays, next to not crashing, draggin' knee was my biggest concern. After realizing that my lines were shitty and I was going slower than piss, I came to my senses, and since then I've been really working on body position and more importantly being smooth w/ solid lines. My 2nd day at T-Hill (3rd Trackday) - I really tried to work on these things instead of draggin' knee, and to my surprise, I was getting my knee down in 50% of the turns. I think peeps just have to have the right mindset to really improve.
 
The less you think about dragging your knee, the quicker it will happen.

To ride fast, you first need to ride smooth. The contortionists that focus soley on dragging a knee rarely do so, because they are fighting physics, the track and the bike.

Unfortuanately, there are too many people riding for all of the wrong reasons. Maybe a strap-on would suit their needs/taste better?
 
I wore my leathers while riding up to 92 yesterday, I tried to drag my knee on this turn that I know very well. The funny thing is that I broke so much before the turn that I was going the suggested speed limit when I finally got there. :rolleyes Riding a lot at the track will do that to you, you just don't feel safe anywhere on the street.
 
donoman said:
I Riding a lot at the track will do that to you, you just don't feel safe anywhere on the street.
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word.
 
Well, there's your first mistake...

Who in the world ever gave you the idea that riding on the street was "safe"?

No wonder there are some many idiots trying to scuff a puck... who taught you that shit?
 
*<swimming by the hook, choosing not to bite>*






:twofinger
 
900CR said:
Well, there's your first mistake...

Who in the world ever gave you the idea that riding on the street was "safe"?

No wonder there are some many idiots trying to scuff a puck... who taught you that shit?
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DAMN BOY I LOVE YOU!!! :love
 
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