Lane splitting with hazard flashers.

[mean dad]

In this thread: commuters with tens of thousands of miles of all-weather riding experience get criticized by the inexperienced.

Ten thousand miles a year, give or take. Rain, fog, wind, locusts.

I think hazards are silly while splitting.

There. I said it.

 

[gixxerjeff]

Loud Lights save Lives !

 

[vizcarmb]

I was caging home (yeah, yeah, I know) right about dusk on Monday when a BMW waterbuffalo GS came splitting by. He had his hazards on, which is not super annoying, but each time they flashed, his super bright add-on, brighter than the sun auxiliary lights would also flash. Sure, I saw him coming from WAY back. I also really wanted to punch him in the face. I figure that if it was that irritating to me, and I understand why he would do it, most car drivers must have REALLY hated him.

Must be a BMW thing. I saw a guy on his GTL doing the same shit going north of 680. I guess DBag BMW owners are both the same breed

 

[Cincinnatus]

I don't think the aux lights are intended to link to the modulator & hazards like that...

 

[Killroy1999]

I had the hazards on today and I was honking the horn. I would rather be a asshole than get taken out. I just started riding again. I have about 200 miles on a brand new bike.

 

[T100]

Just what about splitting with hazards on bugs you people so much? Honestly, a lot of these comments are f'ing ridiculous.

Some of you sound like stupid juveniles. WTF is so offensive about hazards on?

One of you wanted to "punch the guy in the face"? Wow, what a real bad hombre you are, huh?

 

[Reli]

^ "juvenile" sounds more like "Oh hey, I'm gonna flash my hazards and make people think I might be in trouble or have a family member in the hospital, just so I can split past them more easily"

"juvenile" also means "I only care about myself and my pseudo-needs"

 

[vizcarmb]

Having hazards on gives a false perception to cagers on what or where you will go. It gives me a perception that you are a noob. You cannot force people to move out of your way cause you are splitting. I don't expect people to move over when I ride but. They are curteous enough to do so.

Being an asshole will get you taken out.

 

[002]

In this thread: commuters with tens of thousands of miles of all-weather riding experience get criticized by the inexperienced.

Most of my 60k+ miles are from commuting on the very freeways that Barfers are always complaining about being so dangerous. I agree that most drivers are dangerous jerks and that high mileage riders must be doing something right, I just don't think "visibility" is as visible or effective as people think.

I truly don't think people are as visible as they think they are...no matter what they try. And right there is what I think the issue is. "Ride like no one can see you" is the phrase that caught my attention as a noob. I don't think "yeah he sees my bright lights", I think "he can't see me and is probably going to change lanes into that gap. I better watch his wheels for movement and stay out of the way".

Maybe I'm wrong about the visibility thing, but there's no arguing that cagers can't hit what's not there to be hit.

Ride safe everyone

 

[002]

Just what about splitting with hazards on bugs you people so much? Honestly, a lot of these comments are f'ing ridiculous.

Some of you sound like stupid juveniles. WTF is so offensive about hazards on?

One of you wanted to "punch the guy in the face"? Wow, what a real bad hombre you are, huh?

Right or wrong, my gut reaction is this;
-Noob
-Entitled douche.
-Poor riding skills.

None of those say safety to me.

Also, I don't think I have THE answer, but I think reading different opinions on Barf is a big part of what helped me stay safe and grow as a rider. Now that I have enough experience to talk, I'm adding my for others to consider.

 

[NTron3000]

Yeah had to cage for a week waiting for valve seals to show up. Flashers annoy me. It's the self-entitled special bird mentality of these riders that bugs me. The perception that splitting is a hazard as opposed to a normal accepted activity is a real problem. Plus illegal. And doesn't help. But :shrug aside from them not being helpful there really isn't a tangible negative in the moment they are being used. But you bishes with your bright ass rack of blinding lights and modulating crap blowing up my rear window can eat a bag of dicks. That is just straight annoying and creates far more of a distraction and road hazard than any benefit. And to coin a phrase 'makes me want to punch the guy in the face.' It's like the older gentlemans version of squid.
Peter I actually thought of you when this happened a couple times last week and tried real hard to get my head around it because, you know, you aint necc a bad dood and wouldn't otherwise want you to eat said bag of dicks... but the aggravation is real my friend.

 

[corndog67]

Most of my 60k+ miles are from commuting on the very freeways that Barfers are always complaining about being so dangerous. I agree that most drivers are dangerous jerks and that high mileage riders must be doing something right, I just don't think "visibility" is as visible or effective as people think.

I truly don't think people are as visible as they think they are...no matter what they try. And right there is what I think the issue is. "Ride like no one can see you" is the phrase that caught my attention as a noob. I don't think "yeah he sees my bright lights", I think "he can't see me and is probably going to change lanes into that gap. I better watch his wheels for movement and stay out of the way".

Maybe I'm wrong about the visibility thing, but there's no arguing that cagers can't hit what's not there to be hit.

Ride safe everyone

In my 400,000 plus miles........ I decided I don't give a shit what others do. Use your flashers, don't use your flashers, doesn't matter to me one bit.

A motor cop told me that a Gold helmet gets their attention, but I don't think it's legal to try to appear to be a cop

 

[mean dad]

Just what about splitting with hazards on bugs you people so much? Honestly, a lot of these comments are f'ing ridiculous.

Some of you sound like stupid juveniles. WTF is so offensive about hazards on?

One of you wanted to "punch the guy in the face"? Wow, what a real bad hombre you are, huh?

Because you look like a freakin hall monitor.

"Slow down everyone, what I'm doing is sooper dangerous."

 

[planegray]

Yeah had to cage for a week waiting for valve seals to show up. Flashers annoy me. It's the self-entitled special bird mentality of these riders that bugs me. The perception that splitting is a hazard as opposed to a normal accepted activity is a real problem. Plus illegal. And doesn't help. But :shrug aside from them not being helpful there really isn't a tangible negative in the moment they are being used. But you bishes with your bright ass rack of blinding lights and modulating crap blowing up my rear window can eat a bag of dicks. That is just straight annoying and creates far more of a distraction and road hazard than any benefit. And to coin a phrase 'makes me want to punch the guy in the face.' It's like the older gentlemans version of squid.
Peter I actually thought of you when this happened a couple times last week and tried real hard to get my head around it because, you know, you aint necc a bad dood and wouldn't otherwise want you to eat said bag of dicks... but the aggravation is real my friend.

The "highbeams for-eva" posse is gonna git ya !

To them, it's patently obvious that;
1) you're dumb
2) you're too old to drive
3) If your eyes can't take it, you shouldn't be driving
4) you're lying about the discomfort that highbeams cause you
5) who cares all we care about is our own safety, and even though there is no scientific evidence proving it's effectivness, our superior intelligence and anecdotal evidence is proof enough
6) you're dumb



and
to anyone who disagrees with me

 

[JakesKTM]

Speaking as a dude who put on 50,000+ commute miles on his bike, and rides all weather and all conditions... This is foolish. I've had to avoid my fair share of drivers. I'd much rather be noticed and not have to take evasive action than be invisible and have to avoid shit.

Arguing that visibility hurts is just as valid as arguing that helmets cause neck injuries and reduce vision.

I don't rely on visibility to protect me any more than I rely on my gear; it's an extra layer of protection that I hopefully won't need. But it will help in an accident.

Never said visibility hurts. I said at certain times I don't want to be seen, like when I'm between cars or closing in quickly toward a gap.

Anyway - an odometer comparo might slow your roll when reading into my posts before you respond next time? I'll spare everyone the voir dire.

safely

 

[Burning1]

Seems to be a mix of opinions, actually. I don't see any correlation in this thread between rider experience and use of hazards.

I didn't say riding experience, I said all-weather commuting experience. 100,000 miles of back-road twisties does not make anyone an expert on getting to work safely. Totally different skill-sets.

FWIW: while you're not going to find a scientific study, I've done informal testing on my route to work. Significantly more drivers notice me and move over when I'm wearing bright colored gear, running my highs, and running my blinkers.

 

[Burning1]

Driving with hazard lights on in any kind of vehicle is illegal.

So is driving 80 in a 22349 zone. Which one is more likely to get you pulled over.

 

[Burning1]

Don't like flashers? Don't run em.

You don't have to make up stupid reasons to criticize the people who do it differently. Drivers will hate you for splitting, and hate you for blinding them. Be careful where you use your laser beams of death, and be careful of other drivers.

And seriously... Stop getting your panties in a bunch. Want to be pissed at something? How about this:

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[Burning1]

Ten thousand miles a year, give or take. Rain, fog, wind, locusts.

I think hazards are silly while splitting.

There. I said it.

And everyone is cool with that. I'm not going to tell you to run your hazards, and I respect you for not assuming I run them to pretend to be an emergency vehicle.

 

[Reli]

FWIW: while you're not going to find a scientific study, I've done informal testing on my route to work. Significantly more drivers notice me and move over when I'm wearing bright colored gear, running my highs, and running my blinkers

And how about when you're only doing the last 1 or 2 of those 3 things....?