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LEO firearms law exemptions

enki said:
I don't think you understand. These guns have to be recertified each time any change is made. If not, they go off the list. This law went into effect in 2007. The weapon in question is part of a batch issued to the dept since then, therefore unavailable to joe citizen.
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The California handgun roster is a list of "safe" guns that California residents can buy. However, the police are exempt from having to use these "safe" guns. I think that is what the OP is getting to even if this case isn't the best example.
 
byke said:
LEO's are some of the worst feature/configuration offenders using work credentials to purchase illegal personal weapons
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Come again:wtf


And I really liked your line about not having one in the chamber. :facepalm
 
dmaxAl said:
You just blamed a 10 year old for her fathers negligence.

And I think the thread title is not misleading at all. Every damn gun shop we go to has that sign "If you leave a firearm....children..blah blah". I can't be bothered to look up the penal code but I bet is has an leo exemption in it.

If this happened to regular Joe in California, he'd be in trouble for his negligence, and quite frankly there should be zero leo exemption for any "gun negligence" legislation.
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No, I blamed them both. The father is more to blame.

But my bad. I forgot. 10-year-olds don't have brains. Can't teach them not to point guns at people and pull the trigger.
 
enki said:
I don't think you understand. These guns have to be recertified each time any change is made. If not, they go off the list. This law went into effect in 2007. The weapon in question is part of a batch issued to the dept since then, therefore unavailable to joe citizen.
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So the particular firearm is not available in California? Um kay. So that means there aren't tens of thousands of pistols owned by civilians in California that go bang when you pull a trigger without a magazine and a round in the chamber? And that means if you had a nice "safe" version, it's OK to leave it lying around with a round in the chamber, or its OK to point it and shoot it at someone?

That's the real issue here. Gun safety rules were violated.
 
I would never carry the gun with magazine disconnect.
And carry the gun with an empty chamber is idiotic.
 
Every picture I saw that was attached to the story showed a Sig.
Of course the media shows an AK even when a blow dart gun is seized in a raid.

Don't why this matters. Doesn't removing the mag always include clearing the chamber when rendering a weapon safe?
And at what age do you start teaching your children about weapons safety when your existence involves weapons both secured and unsecured in the house, every day?
 
RRR70 said:
Come again:wtf


And I really liked your line about not having one in the chamber. :facepalm
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RRR70 said:
I would never carry the gun with magazine disconnect.
And carry the gun with an empty chamber is idiotic.
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We/re not talking about carrying a gun. We're talking about how they're kept at home with kids around. Legal requirements aside, the vast majority of kids who are untrained will never be able to rack anything. Heck, my adult wife doesn't even know how to rack anything. Never rely on a safety, never leave one in the chamber with kids around.
 
bojangle said:
This is stupid negligence by the 10-year-old and the father.

Not sure what the thread title has to do with the incident though.
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This, magazine disconnect or no, if you're going to leave a firearm lying out around children...and not even clear the chamber, well...

:sigh
 
Would we even be taking about this if it wasn't a cop?

Cop or no cop. Firearm awareness and training is important to safety. All of my guns that I have laying around the house are loaded, including the chamber. However, I don't have kids around.

When my nieces, or adults for that matter who are not comfortable with guns, come around, I secure the firearms.

Being a responsible firearms owner is the only way to prevent these types of events.
 
Probably, this is the KS you know? :twofinger

I guess in theory had he had a "safe" gun on the roster, the question is would this have happened? Probably.

I think the biggest issue is simply what several have said:

Gun Safety Awareness

Put the guy in jail for 10 days, no pay, or something to have SOME accountability. There was negligence here, regardless of his LEO tag.
 
None of my guns have a magazine disconnect :dunno
New guns put on the roster need the magazine disconnect but guns that were on already do not.. So, that's not much of a LEO exemption.. I'd never carry a gun with a magazine disconnect.


Again, The roster is stupid
 
None of my revolvers have a magazine disconnect.:teeth

I didnt post this to go after LEOs as much as the fallacy of the Ca nannystate and its firearms roster.. But I bet this dude faces no penalties because hes a deputy, as opposed to this:

Jarred Dubois Back in the Fresno County Jail

Updated: Oct 03, 2011 10:00 PM PDT


Past stories
The man whose stepdaughter was accidentally shot and killed with one of his loaded and unlocked guns is back behind bars for violating his parole, the Fresno County Sheriff's Office said.

According to deputies, 33-year-old Jarred Dubois had live ammunition in his home when they arrested him Friday.

A judge sentenced Dubois to three years probation, 270 days of electronic monitoring and 500 hours of community service after his son accidentally shot and killed his six-year-old half sister, Emily Lavender, with Dubois' gun.

His probation requires he not handle or be around weapons of any kind.

Dubois' attorney says his client didn't have any weapons and ammunition is common to have around the house.

"There's not a box for it. It gets dropped in a bag, the box gets put somewhere, and it accumulates over a period of time. Shooters that shoot a lot know that. Bullets are found. Sometimes you just don't know where they are," said attorney Mark Coleman.

Dubois could be back in court as early as Tuesday. if he's not put back on probation, he could serve three years behind bars.

Stay with KMPH News and KMPH.com as we continue to follow this story.
 
My service weapon has a magazine disconnect. Nothing new for me.
 
rosemont83 said:
None of my guns have a magazine disconnect :dunno
New guns put on the roster need the magazine disconnect but guns that were on already do not.. So, that's not much of a LEO exemption.. I'd never carry a gun with a magazine disconnect.


Again, The roster is stupid
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The roster is essentially closed at this point due to the microstamping requirement.
 
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