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Midlife crisis style...new car time

The Laguna Seca is a purpose built race machine that Ford offers a "Red Key" for and it's rare to find one. The Boss 302 was a nice package, but is gone for 2014. Ford only said they'd build it for two years.
 
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Besides, why does GM need a 6.2 liter engine to put out 6 more horsepower and 30 more lb-ft of torque than Ford's "puny" 5.0? :twofinger

And with the Boss 302's, the 5.0 has an advantage over the 6.2 anyway. :p
 
Kornholio said:
Yawn. GM late to the party, as usual. And the interior is still hideous. I'll bet the GT500 will still be cheaper...and more powerful regardless.
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It won't matter Jason. When GM sets it's mind to on track performance, they rarely lose. see Z06, ZR1, CTS-V, Cobalt SS, etc...

I'll be the new Z/28 is damn good.
 
Instead of older MB/BMW sedans, why not an SL500? Figure 2005 or so for your price range. Don't know about the Bay Area, but around here you can find them pretty easily with 50K or less on the clock.
 
Ok, umpteen pages and the OP wants a toy.

Stay away from anything German.
Buy the used Mustang and do chirpies while shifting FTW.
 
My mid life crisis car is going to be the 1970 Dodge Charger with a 528ci supercharged Hemi :love

So what did you end up getting?
 
The new Camaro is 800cc bigger (7.0 vs. 6.2) with 80hp less. That seems an odd Marketing move?
 
Holeshot said:
It won't matter Jason. When GM sets it's mind to on track performance, they rarely lose. see Z06, ZR1, CTS-V, Cobalt SS, etc..
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And yet GM shut the F-body down for seven years. :|

My900ss said:
The new Camaro is 800cc bigger (7.0 vs. 6.2) with 80hp less. That seems an odd Marketing move?
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I dropped the "There's no replacement for displacement" years ago. It's just not true anymore. GM keeps shoehorning larger engines under the hoods of the Camaro while Ford utilizes technology to make more with less. Eventually they're going to run out of room.
 
My900ss said:
The new Camaro is 800cc bigger (7.0 vs. 6.2) with 80hp less. That seems an odd Marketing move?
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Huh? The 7.0L, I'm reading, is supposed to throw down 500hp. Same or similar motor to the Z06. The non-blown 6.2 is a carry-over, as is the 560(whatever)hp blown 6.2 for the ZL1. Am I missing something?
 
In the Corvette world, most would say that the 7.0L Z06 is the better track car than the 6.2L supercharged ZR1. Even though the ZR1 has over 130hp advantage. The supercharger and the associated plumbing makes for a faster car in the straights, but that weight hurts it everywhere else.

Same applies to the Camaro ZL1 versus the Z/28. The ZL1 is still the "ultimate" Camaro price wise and in power, but that Z/28 will be a much better choice for a track car. Even more so because of how stripped that Camaro is.
 
Kornholio said:
Besides, why does GM need a 6.2 liter engine to put out 6 more horsepower and 30 more lb-ft of torque than Ford's "puny" 5.0? :twofinger

And with the Boss 302's, the 5.0 has an advantage over the 6.2 anyway. :p
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I'm not saying that 5.0 Coyote motor isn't awesome. If Ford gets off their ass and makes it direct injection and/or "EcoBoost" the thing, it'll be spectacular.

GM wants to do it a different way. It works for them. There's many pros for using new tech and using DOHC, forced induction, and so on. The cons are complexity and weight.

The GT500 makes an absurd amount of power. Just obnoxious. And awesome too. But that engine with its big 32 valve heads and a big ass blower sitting between them...I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it weighs almost twice as much as the "simple" pushrod 7.0L in that new Camaro. Plus I don't think anyone is gonna argue that all the extra sensors and actuators the fancy Ford motor has to use is going to be great for a long life of trouble free miles.
 
Kornholio said:
Besides, why does GM need a 6.2 liter engine to put out 6 more horsepower and 30 more lb-ft of torque than Ford's "puny" 5.0?
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The GM engine weighs less, costs less, is more simple, makes more power, is dimensionally smaller, and gets better fuel mileage. What does the internal displacement matter?
 
Var said:
The GM engine weighs less, costs less, is more simple, makes more power, is dimensionally smaller, and gets better fuel mileage. What does the internal displacement matter?
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Yet the GM car costs more, weighs more and no, the V8 Camaro does not get more miles per gallon than the Mustang GT. Compare it yourself...

http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2013_MustangGT_Specs.pdf

http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro-performance-car/features-specs/trims.html

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Powe...year=2013&make=Ford&model=Mustang&srchtyp=ymm

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Powe...=2013&make=Chevrolet&model=Camaro&srchtyp=ymm
 
Kornholio said:
Yet the GM car costs more, weighs more and no, the V8 Camaro does not get more miles per gallon than the Mustang GT. Compare it yourself...

http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2013_MustangGT_Specs.pdf

http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro-performance-car/features-specs/trims.html

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Powe...year=2013&make=Ford&model=Mustang&srchtyp=ymm

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Powe...=2013&make=Chevrolet&model=Camaro&srchtyp=ymm
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I'm talking about the engine..but you're comparing cars. I was thinking Corvette anyways.
The displacement argument doesn't make any sense if you're comparing different engine designs. The GM engine is superior in practicality and responds to modifications and does everything practically better.
 
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Var said:
I'm talking about the engine..but you're comparing cars. I was thinking Corvette anyways..
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I don't think the two are exclusive given the conversation. Regardless, I agree that the Corvette is a much more ideal midlife crisis car than a Camaro.
 
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