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MOTOGP 2012 Final Preseason IRTA test, Jerez. 3/23-3/25

sally101 said:
(edited).....The soup is still worth reading....
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moreso, the SoupKast iTunes archive includes some major gems, many of which are interviews:

Kevin Cameron
Kenny Roberts, Jr
Neil Hodgson
Julian Ryder
& many more.......
 
2strokeYardSale said:
Stoner didn't ride the worst bike on the grid in 2011 as did Rossi and a bunch of also-ran grid-fillers.
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Doh! So what bike was Stoner riding the years, previously? The Aussie spangled banner?

Like Sidewalk said, Rossi talked a lot of shit, and people didn't give Stoner the credit that his record deserved. NOW, a lot of people are starting to get it. If Rossi pulls HALF as many podiums on a Ducati as Stoner has done, then he deserves a break. Otherwise, he is JUST another big-mouth racer. Oh, and I LIKE him. BUT, I think Stoner has proven he is a better rider.
 
2strokeYardSale said:
Stoner didn't ride the worst bike on the grid in 2011 as did Rossi and a bunch of also-ran grid-fillers.
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The 2011 bike was the same one Rossi rode for the 1st few rounds on the 2012 season.

Can you say it was the worst bike? Kinda hard considering Stoner and the bike worked so well (winning 3-4) in the end of the season.

I agree with you about people saying Rossi is over the hill. I find it pretty funny as a matter of fact. I mean the guy is only 33, he jumps on another bike and stops winning and doing well and suddenly people are going to throw him under than bus :laughing
 
kevin 714 said:
The BMW seems an odd engine choice
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The BMW is indeed an odd choice considering 3 engineering problems...

1)Screamer firing order...
2)Forward spinning crank...
3)High front engine mounts...

Quote Colin Edwards on the Suter
"It's so stiff, we are hindered where motor mounts are, we need it a
little loose"

Quote David Emmett Here's a pic showing the problems with the Suter
BMW: See where the engine mounts are: High!

Red + marks the spot where they are talking about moving front engine
mounts to aid rider tune flex feel...
SuterBMWFrameMount.jpg


Yamaha solved these problems on the M1 by engineering...
1)droner crank...
2)backward spinning crank...
3)low front engine mounts...
 
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High engine mounts...hmm that I never would have even thought of lol makes sense though. It just seems like a terrible choice to me,dealing with problems right off the bat you shouldn't have too
 
So, some numbers...

Taking the longest runs each rider did on day three we get this:

Stoner | |
. |39.411 |
. |39.285 |.126
. |39.491 |-.206
. |39.753 |-.262
. |39.845 |-.092
. |39.872 |-.027
. |40.113 |-.241
. |39.777 |.336
. |39.645 |.132
. |39.781 |-.136
AVG |39.697 |
top |40.113 |
Bottom |39.285 |
Spread |0.828 |
AVG Diff |.173 |


Lorenzo | |
. |40.485 |
. |40.035 |.450
. |40.345 |-.310
. |40.336 |.009
. |40.252 |.084
. |40.302 |-.050
. |40.331 |-.029
. |40.438 |-.107
. |40.222 |.216
. |40.127 |.095
. |40.316 |-.189
. |40.374 |-.058
. |40.547 |-.173
. |40.612 |-.065
. |40.317 |.295
. |40.272 |.045
. |40.269 |.003
. |40.430 |-.161
. |40.251 |.179
. |40.271 |-.020
. |40.465 |-.194
. |40.118 |.347
. |40.165 |-.047
. |39.952 |.213
. |40.046 |-.094
AVG |40.291 |
top |40.612 |
Bottom |39.952 |
Spread |0.660 |
AVG Diff |.143 |


Pedrosa | |
. |40.349 |
. |40.014 |.335
. |40.196 |-.182
. |40.422 |-.226
. |40.279 |.143
. |40.337 |-.058
. |40.256 |.081
. |40.410 |-.154
. |40.423 |-.013
. |40.307 |.116
. |40.150 |.157
. |40.523 |-.373
. |40.363 |.160
. |40.185 |.178
. |40.152 |.033
. |40.349 |-.197
. |40.537 |-.188
. |40.672 |-.135
. |40.540 |.132
. |40.448 |.092
. |40.370 |.078
. |40.959 |-.589
. |40.581 |.378
. |40.036 |.545
AVG |40.369 |
top |40.959 |
Bottom |40.014 |
Spread |0.945 |
AVG Diff |.198 |


Rossi | |
. |40.965 |
. |40.756 |.209
. |40.907 |-.151
. |40.925 |-.018
. |40.935 |-.010
. |41.113 |-.178
. |40.968 |.145
. |41.207 |-.239
. |41.075 |.132
. |41.196 |-.121
. |41.174 |.022
. |41.608 |-.434
. |41.497 |.111
AVG |41.102 |
top |41.608 |
Bottom |40.756 |
Spread |0.852 |
AVG Diff |.147 |

** removed 2 of Pedrosa's laps that were 2 seconds off his average and Lorenzo's second to last lap that was 1 second off his pace.


Some notes:

1. The Spread and the AVG Diff are the important bits here. Lorenzo ran an incredibly tight grouping, followed, surprisingly, by Rossi who isn't known for having a metronomic pace.

2. Through some crazy computations (take the riders best time and add the AVG diff to it, multiply by 25 for account for race distance, then subtract a variable from each lap time),, it would take Lorenzo dropping .247 seconds off his lap time in order to match Stoner's pace over race distance.

That is significantly less than the .6 difference in their average lap would have you believe.

Things should be a lot tighter than Soup would like to believe :rolleyes


3. Stoner's run was too short to really extract much info from so this is purely a mental exercise.
 
two tenths a lap for race distance :wtf That is serious. Qatar will be interesting for sure, wonder how quickly they can all get up to speed there and they will be FLYING down the front straight there.

Lorenzo better start shoveling coal.

-OR-

Get ahead of Stoner at the start and throw CRT lappers at him like it's the AFM
 
JO EBRMC said:
So, some numbers...

Taking the longest runs each rider did on day three we get this:

Stoner | |
. |39.411 |
. |39.285 |.126
. |39.491 |-.206
. |39.753 |-.262
. |39.845 |-.092
. |39.872 |-.027
. |40.113 |-.241
. |39.777 |.336
. |39.645 |.132
. |39.781 |-.136
AVG |39.697 |
top |40.113 |
Bottom |39.285 |
Spread |0.828 |
AVG Diff |.173 |


Lorenzo | |
. |40.485 |
. |40.035 |.450
. |40.345 |-.310
. |40.336 |.009
. |40.252 |.084
. |40.302 |-.050
. |40.331 |-.029
. |40.438 |-.107
. |40.222 |.216
. |40.127 |.095
. |40.316 |-.189
. |40.374 |-.058
. |40.547 |-.173
. |40.612 |-.065
. |40.317 |.295
. |40.272 |.045
. |40.269 |.003
. |40.430 |-.161
. |40.251 |.179
. |40.271 |-.020
. |40.465 |-.194
. |40.118 |.347
. |40.165 |-.047
. |39.952 |.213
. |40.046 |-.094
AVG |40.291 |
top |40.612 |
Bottom |39.952 |
Spread |0.660 |
AVG Diff |.143 |


Pedrosa | |
. |40.349 |
. |40.014 |.335
. |40.196 |-.182
. |40.422 |-.226
. |40.279 |.143
. |40.337 |-.058
. |40.256 |.081
. |40.410 |-.154
. |40.423 |-.013
. |40.307 |.116
. |40.150 |.157
. |40.523 |-.373
. |40.363 |.160
. |40.185 |.178
. |40.152 |.033
. |40.349 |-.197
. |40.537 |-.188
. |40.672 |-.135
. |40.540 |.132
. |40.448 |.092
. |40.370 |.078
. |40.959 |-.589
. |40.581 |.378
. |40.036 |.545
AVG |40.369 |
top |40.959 |
Bottom |40.014 |
Spread |0.945 |
AVG Diff |.198 |


Rossi | |
. |40.965 |
. |40.756 |.209
. |40.907 |-.151
. |40.925 |-.018
. |40.935 |-.010
. |41.113 |-.178
. |40.968 |.145
. |41.207 |-.239
. |41.075 |.132
. |41.196 |-.121
. |41.174 |.022
. |41.608 |-.434
. |41.497 |.111
AVG |41.102 |
top |41.608 |
Bottom |40.756 |
Spread |0.852 |
AVG Diff |.147 |

** removed 2 of Pedrosa's laps that were 2 seconds off his average and Lorenzo's second to last lap that was 1 second off his pace.



Some notes:

1. The Spread and the AVG Diff are the important bits here. Lorenzo ran an incredibly tight grouping, followed, surprisingly, by Rossi who isn't known for having a metronomic pace.

2. Through some crazy computations (take the riders best time and add the AVG diff to it, multiply by 25 for account for race distance, then subtract a variable from each lap time),, it would take Lorenzo dropping .247 seconds off his lap time in order to match Stoner's pace over race distance.

That is significantly less than the .6 difference in their average lap would have you believe.

Things should be a lot tighter than Soup would like to believe :rolleyes


3. Stoner's run was too short to really extract much info from so this is purely a mental exercise.
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Very cool numbers and was thinking the very same thing when Looking at Jorge's laps times. Compared to stoners and Pedro's.
 
RhythmRider said:
I say that every year, but he always finds a way to get injured and miss races.
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Well there's nothing holding him back this year, preseason-wise, so let's see.

I don't think he'll beat Casey but he Dani's talent is always overshadowed by Casey or Jorge. Let's hope he shines through a little more in 2012.
 
number_6 said:
So, just because I was going to look it up for my own curiosity anyway, here are the major current street bikes and their various engine mounts.

BMW S1000RR
tumblr_ksc5h5FE2i1qzgkbto1_500.jpg


GSXR1000 (which BMW states they copied)
12-suzuki-gsxr1000-108.jpg


Aprilia
aprilia-rsv4-naked.jpg


Kawi ZX10
zx10r%202011%20chassis.jpg


Yam R1
2011-yamaha-yzf-r1-2_460x0w.jpg


CBR600RR - Moto2 Basis
4.jpg


Yam M1
146_0708_11_z+yamaha_m1_engine+.jpg
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Lookin at the r1 and m1, seems bls is right.
 
JO EBRMC said:
followed, surprisingly, by Rossi who isn't known for having a metronomic pace.

2. Through some crazy computations (take the riders best time and add the AVG diff to it, multiply by 25 for account for race distance, then subtract a variable from each lap time),, it would take Lorenzo dropping .247 seconds off his lap time in order to match Stoner's pace over race distance.

That is significantly less than the .6 difference in their average lap would have you believe.

Things should be a lot tighter than Soup would like to believe :rolleyes
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Since when is Rossi not known for being extremely consistent in his pace in practice? I'm rather confused by this one. Anytime I've ever looked at the analysis of a practice or qualifying, he does the same thing as Lorenzo and keeps his fast lap times amazingly similar in pace. Pedrosa is inconsistent as hell in practice and qualifying, but I've never seen Vale that way.

You have to jump through a lot of hoops, and make a lot of assumptions to try to prove Soup wrong. It certainly doesn't seem reasonably tighter to me. :dunno If you applied the same math to Stoner that you do to Jorge, he'd still have an over .6 advantage, no? Looking at the numbers from my perspective, it looks like Dani is a lot closer to Jorge than Jorge is to Stoner.
 
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I just went out & removed the Buell's upper engine mount

you should've seen the individual cylinders dancing around on their case openings!!
 
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