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MotoGP Off-Season Thread

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They're bike wasn't so bad. no M1 or RCV but it was good. much better than a Ducati. Needed a faster rider though.
 
Kurosaki said:
They're bike wasn't so bad. no M1 or RCV but it was good. much better than a Ducati. Needed a faster rider though.
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Alvaro scored almost 3x as many points going from the GSVR to the satellite RCV. ya, it was that bad.... just like the Duc :laughing
 
Just because Suzuki is screwing around with a bike, doesn't mean squat.

Dorna has stated that hey won't let Suzuki back in as a factory team, unless you guys know something different. If you are referring to CRT, or not, that is what Dorna stated some time ago.

You can find other references to Dorna not allowing Suzuki a full slot.
From here:

British biking publication Motorcyclenews.com has published an article about Suzuki’s proposed entry to MotoGP, citing an interview with Tech 3 team boss Hervé Poncharal who states that Dorna is right to deny Suzuki a factory entry. The article explained Dorna’s reasons behind the potential block for a full factory entry, and the requirement to use one of the existing teams such as Aspar or LCR to bring its bike back into the fold, to add not only value to independent teams, but also bring stability to the championship.
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clutchslip said:
Just because Suzuki is screwing around with a bike, doesn't mean squat.

Dorna has stated that hey won't let Suzuki back in as a factory team, unless you guys know something different. If you are referring to CRT, or not, that is what Dorna stated some time ago.

You can find other references to Dorna not allowing Suzuki a full slot.
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That's long been established. What's latest is that De Puniet is more or less signed up as their official test rider for this season, and is expected to take part in the mid-season test after the Barcelona round that Suzuki will be attending, along with their other test rider Nobuatsu Aoki. Aspar is also front-running the speculated teams that Suzuki will be gridding up with to meet Dorna's demand for their re-entry.

They can't be a stand-alone factory team a la Yamaha when they come back, but that won't preclude them from having factory-involvement with an existing team, like Aspar.
 
clutchslip said:
Just because Suzuki is screwing around with a bike, doesn't mean squat.

Dorna has stated that hey won't let Suzuki back in as a factory team, unless you guys know something different. If you are referring to CRT, or not, that is what Dorna stated some time ago.

You can find other references to Dorna not allowing Suzuki a full slot.
From here:
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so what does that have to do w/ full MSMA-prototype Suzuki's making it onto the grid?

Carmelo wont allow a NEW spot for Suzuki, probably because he half expects them to pull out again and doesnt want any damage done to his current teams. using an EXISTING spot simply says that Suzuki must employ a current team to run the bikes. all but the three factory teams in GP are run exactly like this. rem when Aspar ran satellite Ducatis... if they did that today (or next year) w/ Suzuki's, how is that CRT?
 
Kurosaki said:
He'd have done much worse on a Ducati. The bike wasn't a total POS like the D16.
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oh cmon, atleast look at some number beforehand.

Hector Barbera beat him that same year on the satellite GP11, 82 to 67 pts, and the year before 90 to 85. id also argue that Bautista is a better rider than Barbera, since in 250s, Bautista beat him 2 out of 3 seasons. but my argument still works if u consider them of equal talent, esp since im comparing the factory Suzuki to the satellite Duc. Alvaro's 67 pts barely beat Karel's 64 in 2011. that chassis was shit and hadnt been improving... maybe worse than the Duc :p
 
These guys got to be SICK OF SEPANG after all this testing at the same damn track on the other side of the world.
 
Zerox said:
These guys got to be SICK OF SEPANG after all this testing at the same damn track on the other side of the world.
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Vicious cycle: Get sick of testing at the track you have a shitload of data on. :laughing
 
Zerox said:
These guys got to be SICK OF SEPANG after all this testing at the same damn track on the other side of the world.
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They like sepang, because the weather is warm enough to simulate race conditions at this time of year, when Europe is rained out. And they like to test at the same track to have a reference from test to test. Test there and get data, make changes, go back to same track and see if changes improved bike. If they go to a different track, problems might disappear on their own. The same track is just another variable they can control.
 
stangmx13 said:
oh cmon, atleast look at some number beforehand.

Hector Barbera beat him that same year on the satellite GP11, 82 to 67 pts, and the year before 90 to 85. id also argue that Bautista is a better rider than Barbera, since in 250s, Bautista beat him 2 out of 3 seasons. but my argument still works if u consider them of equal talent, esp since im comparing the factory Suzuki to the satellite Duc. Alvaro's 67 pts barely beat Karel's 64 in 2011. that chassis was shit and hadnt been improving... maybe worse than the Duc :p
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I just don't recall the suzuki riders complaining out problems the way every ducti rider has.

Same deal with the ZX-RR. Usually thought of as a total shit box. Not a great bike but look what Melandri did with it in its last year. Not half bad for what he was working with.

If the Suzuki had a faster rider I fully believe it would have been higher up. On the other hand, a faster rider doesn't make much difference on a Ducati. Unless your name is Casey Stoner.
 
My new brain bucket came in.
 

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I can add as many as desired, but I've only tried it with ten, and that just became useless to look at. I think that apart from the Fast Five analysis, another option is to pick and choose a pair (or three) riders you'd like to compare, for a more pointed analysis.

Like I said, once the final testing session times are posted in two days, I was going to post individual rider analysis, comparing their more important sessions from the last testing to now.
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If I can get the parser, Mototheory can create dynamic charts that allow you to select the riders you want to see. The problem is that it is Flash so it can't be embedded on BARF because Budman hates me.
 
Goose916 said:
Dovi giving some respect to Stoner's abilities.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/motor-s...andrea-dovizioso/story-fn2ms4i4-1226577270485

Dovi is a class act. While I'm not sure Stoner would have been so demure if the role was reversed.
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A class act? The guy has been crying about not getting a factory ride for 3 years now. He's always acted entitled and yet, never turned over the results.

But we still have to listen to him whine about not getting any respect.



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Almost forgot. I asked budman earlier today about having a sub-forum for all things moto-racing discussions; MotoGP, WSBK, AMA, BSB, IoM TT, FIM World Endurance, Macau GP, etc., just anything and everything revolving around professional motorcycle racing series'.

He dug it, so stay tuned. :thumbup
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If racing forums were broken off, no one would visit them and they'd die.



clutchslip said:
But, Suzuki will be a CRT bike, from what we know at this point. That's not so great.
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I don't really believe they would be a CRT.

And I'm not understanding why it would be a bad thing if they were. Same exact rules except they get more fuel and motors. Why would that be bad?
 
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