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NASCAR Driver Tony Stewart Runs Over a Guy

afm199 said:
Absolutely, He was just driving along and thought: "I have a chance here to kill someone and further my career."

I've often zigged on the track trying to take out an errant or stunned participant, but my aim is poor.
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I assume you are nothing like Tony Stewart. Haha!

Seriously, I think about the criterium bicycle races I used to do twice a week for years.

A criterium is a .75-1.0 mile course about 15-30 laps. It is a sprinter's race and it can be aggressive. Elbows, leaning against each other, cutting lines, and you are wearing only lycra if you hit the road.

Especially at maximum heart rate, it is easy to make bad judgments.

On time, another racer leaned on me and pushed me towards the curb. I went with it until I was getting close then I leaned back. He elbowed me, and I thought about pulling on his handlebars and taking him down.

But the entire pack was right behind us and I didn't know if he crashed, the pack would go with him. So I just kept riding.

In retrospective, I am glad I do not have a pack crash on my conscience. But the other rider felt I did something worthy of at least intimidating me (I think took a line too aggressively, cutting off his teammate on a turn), and he did ultimately try to crash me.

I was aggressive but I was cool enough to make the right decision there.

One more thing. If I was driving on the street, and someone ran out at me, I would swerve as far I could to avoid him. I wouldn't try to pass him closely, so close if anything went wrong, we would make contact.
 
Look at the video closely. The car right in front of TS was going the same speed and nearly the same line. The first car clearly swerves to try and avoid the decedent. TS was right behind him going the same speed.

How many times have you been on the highway and the car in front of you swerves to avoid something in the road and you cannot avoid it because you did not have time to see it. Happened to me a few years ago I was not tailgating the car in front of me and he swerved to avoid a ladder in the road and I did not have time to swerve and ran the ladder over. I think this is what happened.
 
sanjuro said:
I assume you are nothing like Tony Stewart. Haha!

Seriously, I think about the criterium bicycle races I used to do twice a week for years.

A criterium is a .75-1.0 mile course about 15-30 laps. It is a sprinter's race and it can be aggressive. Elbows, leaning against each other, cutting lines, and you are wearing only lycra if you hit the road.

Especially at maximum heart rate, it is easy to make bad judgments.

On time, another racer leaned on me and pushed me towards the curb. I went with it until I was getting close then I leaned back. He elbowed me, and I thought about pulling on his handlebars and taking him down.

But the entire pack was right behind us and I didn't know if he crashed, the pack would go with him. So I just kept riding.

In retrospective, I am glad I do not have a pack crash on my conscience. But the other rider felt I did something worthy of at least intimidating me (I think took a line too aggressively, cutting off his teammate on a turn), and he did ultimately try to crash me.

I was aggressive but I was cool enough to make the right decision there.

One more thing. If I was driving on the street, and someone ran out at me, I would swerve as far I could to avoid him. I wouldn't try to pass him closely, so close if anything went wrong, we would make contact.
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I used to race crits. Same thing in foot races at the front. I've been in elbow to elbow battle for the first twenty feet of a 10k. Then it thins out a bit.

This incident didn't happen on the street. Lots of second guessing going on from a short video. Lots of it. When you suddenly swerve on the race track, that's how you end up taking out one or three or five people. The dead guy made his decision and has to live with it. (pun)
 
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asthmodeus said:
this thread highlights why i tend to despise both racer boys and lawyers.
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Right up til you need one... a lawyer, that is, not a racer boy.

I figured something like would happen sooner or later, and if wasn't going to be Stewart, I'd have put money on one of the Busch brothers.
 
Yakoo752 said:
Empire Super Sprints

It's a Lucas Oil Event
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So, does that mean he won't have the backing of the nascar legal wing? He was 'off the clock'?

from what the lawyer said, doesn't sound like he'll need it...
 
Fascinating to see the same people that have told me in the eye that racing is not dangerous elaborate here on the dangers of racing.


FlewbyU said:
Look at the video closely. The car right in front of TS was going the same speed and nearly the same line. The first car clearly swerves to try and avoid the decedent. TS was right behind him going the same speed.

How many times have you been on the highway and the car in front of you swerves to avoid something in the road and you cannot avoid it because you did not have time to see it. Happened to me a few years ago I was not tailgating the car in front of me and he swerved to avoid a ladder in the road and I did not have time to swerve and ran the ladder over. I think this is what happened.
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You must have a different video. The blue car #45 in front of TS is nearly 2 secs ahead and on a visibly inner line. And remember it's a left turn. As soon as 45 passes KW, TS can clearly see a 6ft man standing on the track right at the spot of the crash and yellow flags, not a ladder laying on the ground hidden by a truck. And with TS professional driving skills, he should've had plenty of time to steer away.

Remind me to hire you if I ever run someone over. :)
 
Marcoose said:
As soon as 45 passes KW, TS can clearly see a 6ft man standing on the track right at the spot of the crash and yellow flags, not a ladder laying on the ground hidden by a truck. And with TS professional driving skills, he should've had plenty of time to steer away.
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Prove it.
 
Marcoose said:
Fascinating to see the same people that have told me in the eye that racing is not dangerous elaborate here on the dangers of racing.




You must have a different video. The blue car #45 in front of TS is nearly 2 secs ahead and on a visibly inner line. And remember it's a left turn. As soon as 45 passes KW, TS can clearly see a 6ft man standing on the track right at the spot of the crash and yellow flags, not a ladder laying on the ground hidden by a truck. And with TS professional driving skills, he should've had plenty of time to steer away.

Remind me to hire you if I ever run someone over. :)
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Not hear to convince anyone just give my .02. Since i have evaluated hundreds if not thousands of cases most of which involved cars hitting cars or people I think I some basis for an educated opinion.
 
For the people who don't know whose throttle blip it was take a look at the video again. Enlarge the viewer if you need to. Focus on Tony Stewart's left rear tire.

You will see the tire, which presumably was running pretty low pressure, deflect at the same time as the throttle blip is heard.

If this interpretation is correct, it also seems to suggest that the correct audio synch is the version where the throttle blip is timed almost exactly at the same time as the impact and not earlier.

We had one poster with dirt track car experience, I'd love to hear from him about what a typical tire pressure is.

The same evidence could be used in support of Stewart to argue that his car was damaged leading to the loss of control.


As for the lighting, I don't understand how it can be light enough to be racing full speed sideways in close formation and at the same time to dark to see something when you are going slow under a yellow flag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtlTJAWFyRY
 
FlewbyU said:
Not hear to convince anyone just give my .02. Since i have evaluated hundreds if not thousands of cases most of which involved cars hitting cars or people I think I some basis for an educated opinion.
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I think you're like the only person in this thread actually qualified enough where your .02 mean something
 
Blankpage said:
I lost track, we're 157 posts in and what are we debating again?
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Whether Steward murdered :)rolleyes) someone or it was a tragic accident.

My vote is tragic accident, in the same way Rossi running into Simonchelli was a tragic accident.
 
FlewbyU said:
i have evaluated hundreds if not thousands of cases most of which involved cars hitting cars or people I think I some basis for an educated opinion.
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You're entitled to your opinion like everyone is. Hubris or not.
 
asdfghwy said:
I think you're like the only person in this thread actually qualified enough where your .02 mean something
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Brad's qualification is that the State of California authorizes him to advise on legal matters. Other than that, it's speculation like the rest of us.

FlewbyU said:
Whether Steward murdered :)rolleyes) someone or it was a tragic accident.

My vote is tragic accident, in the same way Rossi running into Simonchelli was a tragic accident.
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By no means it was murder. Tragic, yes. Avoidable, yes. Ward could've kept his temper in check. Stew could've taken a total different line and we wouldn't be here.

Apples and bicycles to compare this to Simonchelli.
 
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